BNP on Question Time
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- lowimpakt0
jamble - some people are just rascisthe BNP fit their profile but there are lots of people who have been screwed over by the state and have been let down by badly Labour.
The other main parties don't offer them much - The Tories are too posh and the Lib Dems are a bit Meh.
A lot of people have no one else to turn to.
- Khurram0
Talking about Polish people, i've had some very good experiences about these 700,000 polish people. My Muay Thai gym has a LOT of polish fighters, young guys like myself. One time Bill, the head coash went arond asking everyone their natonalities and it wuz like "Polish, Polish, Bengali, Pakistani, French, French, Polish, Bengali, Afro-Carribbean..." etc. - i think he was trying to make a point about how the white English don't have the work ethic to train in the combat supports environment.
Incidentally, Martin is a recent polish arrival and he takes the Sunday conditioning classes. He's awesome - he's taught me to be a better fighter, and he's partial to a beer afterwards an'all. He's a polish Golden Gloves winnner.
I also had a cleaner who was polish, but 21 years old? She was FIT AS FUCK. And my neighbours two doors down are polish - about 6 of them in a tiny house. They always pickup my packages that the mail guy leaves at my door when i'm not in. They're well sound.
In other words i have had very pleasant experiences of polish people. 700,000??? Bring 10 MILLION OF THEM OVER. Let's all live in a rainbow-coloured world of harmony. It doesn't bother me.
- must_dash0
Yeah they look to appeal to the worker... but have a nasty undercurrent to what they're about.
- mikotondria30
- aaah beat me to it!!!!Projectile
- gar too quick for meStugoo
- thanks to @RobertPopper :)mikotondria3
- lowimpakt0
nasty is right - they are pure scum.
- chossy0
These scoundrels shouldn't be given any platform.
- Khurram0
they make some good points tho, about immigration and the blacks.
- Projectile0
I personally think.. although I DO NOT agree with the BNP's values, it's a natural reaction. This whole "don't offend anyone" attitude and the media pushing articles about towns banning the word "xmas" cos minorities might get offended etc, and basically british people getting pushed aside and sued because of other religions.. It's necessary to have cultural integration and immigration, but it's going overboard, so there's going to be a rebellion.
THIS is why the BNP got voted in. Not because of the credit crunch etc. Basically, the british public and politicians need to grow a pair, and when they don't, it breeds giant ballsacks like Dick Griffin.
- vespa0
What about the "cultural dilution" of India / Malaysia / Australia / everywhere else the British empire went?
- +1000000Projectile
- Yeah, that's where, i think, the inherent contradiction in "liberalism" arose - from the colonial experience.Khurram
- 'cultural dilution' is our job nowSlashPeckham
- pillhead0
This should make fun TV watching for tonight, I wonder if anyone go's ape shit. As for the BNP, will all know there sad people, with even sadder political ideas.
- Khurram0
Well politics in this day and age is about FEAR, and cultural fears are real, whether you like it or not. But none of the mainstream parties have an adequate discourse to discuss this "innate" fear without opening up a whole can of worms - and THAT'S what gives the BNP the space to step in.
It's one of the inherent contradictions in this so-called "western liberal" ideology which doesn't have the language to deal with these things/allow for their expression - which ofcourse was primarily a market ideology of globalised free trade, but thats a whole nother argument. I think. IMO.
- Ianbolton0
Khurran - that's the attitude. Some dude on the BBC website yesterday was rattling on about how there was no community in his south London home anymore. This was due to everyone other house being African. He wasn't racist though because he had a few black mates! He just didn't like how the polish would sit there, the chinese would sit over there and the indians would sit over there, all together.
My point, is that we all make up a community, all of us. If we can't be bothered to integrate ourselves within these new communities then who's fault is it? There's for being here or ours? Natural human instinct is the be friendly and welcoming isn't it? Unless you are otherwise paranoid, have a chip on your shoulder, or just a twat.
- lowimpakt0
yea fuck the blacks.
- Khurram0
now i will work and clsoe down QBN.
- rascuache0
According to the BBC's director, they were only invited to take part precisely because of the way their following has grown in the last couple of years, the BBC sort of have to take them seriously now.
Can't help thinking this is just going to exacerbate things a bit, but the BBC have quite rightly said it's not their place to censor, but should the government impose a broadcasting ban on the BNP (as Thatcher did with Sinn Fein) then they'll oblige.
- vespa0
Youtube version:
- yeah, watched this. Horrible stuff.Jnr_Madison
- i wonder how it would have been had the moved into a posh area...felizfeliz
- even i would have had abuse from those tracksuit wearing kids. and i'm white english.felizfeliz
- lowimpakt0
the bnp have amazing photoshop skills.
checkout who is at the front of the line
- detritus0
I love how sure of your positions you all are - how the immigration debate has been so neatly bound to racism in its absolute form. Don't you, upon dear life, dare question the legitimacy (both accepted and implied) of Britain's great experiment with immigration over the last 50 years (oh yes, of course, we've always been an 'immigrant country', how churlish of me to ignore multiple thousand years of immigration, eh? - except it's not. It never was - we've had a handful of 'major waves' of immigration, the sum of which don't even begin to shadow the meagrest fraction of a contemporary years' allowance).
Personally, I think the immigration debate (or lack thereof) has been hijacked by over-earnest idealists and money men, who couldn't give two figs about the morality of the debate. They're only interested in pushing their own agendas - in bullying people who don't share their opinion and in maintaining lower wages, respectively.
Me? I think there are already too many people on this little island of ours, so I want an end to mass immigration. End of. I don't see how it benefits Britons themselves, and I don't see how they were ever given a voice in what is, one of the biggest questions any society should ask itself. The recently announced projections of 71m citizens in the near future terrifies me, frankly - I really, really, really don't see how sustaining so many human consumers is in our interest. Really. Population size is the rather large elephant in the room where the environment is concerned.
Oh, and as for the original question - I don't like the BNP, as they appear to be mostly filled with thugs, goons and morons - but, rightly or wrongly, they were voted in as part of the democratic process and should be allowed to have their say.
Personally, I'm curious to see how much of a societal debate it actually encourages, if any.