client wants files-argh
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- PonyBoy0
WHAT MEEKLO SAID...
... never EVER give your source away... that is or those are... your tools.
Do painters give their brushes away w/the painting... along w/the technique secrets involved?... do auto mechanics also hand over their tool box after they fixed your car?...
... your tools are your tools... do NOT give your source away... make them pay for it. I usually make my clients pay the exact amount for the project.
If the Flash was $3k... they can fork over another $3k for all the tools involved then... else they can 'return to the painter for another portrait'... or bring their car back in to the mechanic to have the next after-market accessory added or upgrade...
******
To you DOLTS who basically said 'suck it up and fork it over'... would you morons please fuck off? Respect your intellectual property - it's why people hire you, dipshits.
- airey0
people here seem to forget that we're a service industry and a lot of the strong 'no ways' come from designers that are working for people not themselves.
it's a grey area and blows if the client asks for files but you're a service. give them a clean and easy service and they or referrals will come your way. make their life harder than it needs to be and you'll have a folio full of single job clients.
at least though, charge a file supply fee for release and dvd burn. it doesn't need to be huge but enough so that it makes a point.
- Last time I checked the services offered didn't include getting raped by the clientukit
- really? in the 16 years i've been doing this that was always an inclusion!airey
- I have to disagree with you, airey, I'm afraid. A client that asks for your work to give it to friends is not coming back.Corvo2
- I don't agree with you on this, airey.Corvo2
- airey0
you're tools are the fucking software and you're mind. you don't do the work for free, nor do you hand over ideas for free. the files are the files and if the client no longer wants to use you what are you going to do with the files anyway?
just do what you feel more comfortable with. whatever makes the most sense to you, it's your business after all.
- inkpink0
nope don't do it. simply say your price did not include transfer of working files.
doesn't matter at this point if its in contract or not, anything legal would lean in your favor. contract would just have avoided any personal conflict.
same deal as if you design a catalogue with $500 worth of fonts, doesn't mean the client gets all the font files too. explain that your AS is proprietary and will cost an additional fee.
- PonyBoy0
if I write a lengthy function that in turn works as an algorythm of sorts that takes data / builds menus / turns things on and off... ... you can liken the time put into said code / file just as if you were machining a custom tool so you could get a job done (again - use the analogy of a mechanic)...
... the mechanic doesn't give that tool away... the mechanic uses the tool on the project - the client get's the project (the car).
This is the same thing to me when it comes to your code.
- airey0
to PonyBoy,
perhaps but you get paid to do this during the job and if you do this for the client then their site will continue to use the AS online whether they have the files or not.
now if they hand the files to someone else who understands what you did and can replicate it then was it such an 'invention'?
if it was pure genius then the person who gets the files won't be able to work with it and they'll come back.
ideally the client will come back, having paid a release fee for the files, therefore earning you more cash and goodwill.
- alicetheblue0
wow everyone -
what an eye opener – lots of good reasons on either side.
I really appreciate your wisdom (really)
Don't know what I'll do.
Tomorrow is another day!
–alice–
- NONEIS0
People saying that he should give the code over have a clear lack of understanding about the vendor client relationship.
Do NOT! give these files over for free – it will mean the end of future work as you will be enabling them to update the site without YOU.
At the very least, you are providing them with a SERVICE by giving them these files, services = paid.
- no one has said for free. no one. all the advice from that side has mentioned release fees.airey
- PonyBoy0
*wonders what airey thinks about all this... *goes back to eating sandwich and Chicks with socks thread
- *raises a martini glass in salute
and munches on almondsalicetheblue
- *raises a martini glass in salute
- airey0
at the end of the day it's everybody's job to approach this situation in their own way. right or wrong, we work our own way and attract clients because of this. these threads are just good places to discuss this but at the very least read other peoples opinions thoroughly before stamping your feet and raising the clenched fists at the skygods.
- NONEIS0
airey, did you actually read the posts on pages 1 and 2?
"If he's paid for the work, then give it up. Some times it sucks, but you have to not look at your work like it's your child."
"You got paid right? Who cares if he decides to let his friend ruin it, not your problem. You still have the original work you can use for your portolio if you want to. I would hand it over personally."
"it belongs to him. it's only code, crap."
?:|
- yes, but in continuing that argument everone (mainly me) has mentioned release fees.airey
- we're on page 3 of a discussion so shouldn't it be an evolving one rather than picking 1 post at the start?airey
- so when you said "no one has said for free. no one. all the advice from that side has mentioned release fees." you were just FOS?NONEIS
- even people that started with 'no' have then said 'yes but with release fees'.airey
- were just FOS ?:DNONEIS
- everyone = mainly you – love that ;DNONEIS
- pr20
when people here fight = i feel happy...
- PonyBoy0
how many times have you seen a 'Flash help' thread on QBN?... 2-3 times a day maybe?
It can take 20 hours to resolve the smallest thing... why the hell would you just give away the knowledge on 'how you did it'?...
... when Sigfried and Roy pull a gay tiger out of thin air... you pay to see / experience it... but they don't tell you how they did it.
- airey0
the point of these threads is an evolving disussion. you pick 1 post at the start that said hand it over. they didn't say 'and don't charge for it'. they may have felt that was implied, who knows. but we're on page three of this and even people that are against the idea have said 'no, unless there's a release fee'.
- PonyBoy0
i see no evolution... all i see you is you being wrong wrong wrong
:D
*gives airey a wedgie
- airey0
hahahaha. fucker!
- NONEIS0
I quoted 3 separate posts, you must be too stubborn to read pages 1 and 2 due to the "evolving nature" of the thread.
- airey0
fair enough, so what is you're opinion then?
- BonSeff0
he paid for the end product, not what it took to get you there.
If he wants a short cut to what it took to get you there, charge him for a time machine along with the files. fuck this guy, stand strong and be a pro.