Our generation's Woodstock
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- harlequino0
What you guys are talking about sounds more like a particular culture "scene" of a given time and place. Woodstock (although it's never interested me tbh) is still something of a single iconic event.
Yours are valid, just pointing out something of a difference in how it's remembered.
- scarabin0
nobody has been able to address to me how burning man has sold out.
anyone?
- Woodstock happened once. (the real one)morilla
- BM is yearly.morilla
- http://kozinets.net/…Greedo
- i googled.Greedo
- I think you arrived at the rave and burning man scene too late scarabin, no doubt none of it seems 'sold out' to you as you don't know any different.max_prophet
- dont know any different.max_prophet
- i don't think you needed tickets before. you just showed up.lambsy
- how else do you fund building an entire city in the middle of the desert? back then it was 45 people. now it's 45kscarabin
- BM is not a hippie concert.sea_sea
- scarabin0
no, i'm 100% certain raves sold out. they haven't been the same since the early 90s.
so burning man is "sold out" because it happens every year?
or is it because they had to form a consistent entity in order to manage all the preparation and vendors that go into it?
i find the article posted conjectural and open-ended
- in the end i think it's passion and philosophy that makes an event not "sold out"scarabin
- TheBlueOne0
The company downstairs from our office is a commercial fencing company. The guy who owns it is the guy who was hired in 1969, at the age of 21, to install the fencing around Woodstock for the event.
The local paper did an interview with him because of this whole Woodstock anniversary thing, from which I will excerpt because I think it sums up the Woodstock generation very well:
“People were doing a lot of acid back then,” Socci said. “Everyone went down to the lake and started taking their clothes off. That lake had thousands of naked people in it. It just got a little bit crazier day after day. I was in shock.”
Socci and his friend were given free passes to the concert, which they promptly sold and “made a lot of money.” Then an even better deal came along; all-access passes to not only the concert, but to the stage and the tents where the stars drank, drugged and slept.
But what became of the fence after the concert?
“They destroyed it,” Socci said. “It was a garbage fence..."
http://www.westfaironline.com/we…
There is the woodstock hippies in a nutshell. They were all in it for the drugs, the first opportunity to sell out, they did. And then, they took further advantage of the situation. And what they made back then was all pretty shitty anyway. Like the fence. Which was destroyed by all of the attendees because they were selfish dicks high on drugs.
That, my friends, in a nutshell is exactly what the Hippie generation has done for the last forty odd years.
I'm glad we didn't have a Woodstock.
*The only good things about Woodstock were Hendrix and Richie Havens, who were 1/2 generation older than the Hippes anyway.
- scarabin0
it sure looks fun though
apart from the bad sanitation, overcrowding and lack of food of course
- and the brown acid, some of which might have been, you know, bad.TheBlueOne
- dskz0
No woodstock!?!?! Theres the 9.9.9 mix in the music thread!!!!
- mikotondria30
I think Blue has a very good point - human nature doesnt change - as much as I look back on the rave days as glorious and golden, there were a lot of dickheads around, and there was violence in isolated but predictable situations, and nasty people, usually involved in the drugs and the money - drugs and social climates do not make mean people nice, or the music better, or change how bad people are and behave.
- Yeah. I mean hey I liek the Who and the Stones as much as the next guy, but the whole peace love shit was a scamTheBlueOne
- harlequino0
I saw some interview with George Harrison the other day in which he was talking about Woodstock, hippies, etc. He said he had gone to Haight Ashbury with these high hopes for people seeking peace and love and this whole enlightenment trip, but that it was just disgusting. Just a swarm of drugged out messes. It was amusing coming from him in such a matter-of-fact way.
- scarabin0
every scene's history is glorified
so enjoy right now, 'cause you'll be pining for it in ten years
- I will laugh at the emo's then too, I am sure.harlequino
- i will admit to enjoying a handful of "emo" related bands but the way they dress and carry on is tragically hilarious to me7point34
- yes, it's easy to hate on 17 year old childrenscarabin
- but we'll be all growed up thoon to kick you in the bawlth! :Pismith
- TheBlueOne0
Nothing changed in the 60's until the threat of violence appeared, no matter what you read about how peace and love and good vibes changed the world. It didn't. Once the riots started, and black militants and commies started arming up, the mainstream bent a bit to the organized left and then eventually co-opted it.
the whole "Peace and love" they kept around to sell toothpaste and potato chips. You can sell those things to middle america with rose colored, misty Woodstock retrospectives, not with Black Panther documentaries and copies of Mao's Little Red book.
*Sorry, my anti-hippy metalhead/hardcore child of the 80's roots are showing
- *at this point my wife would start poking me in the ribs and tell me to stop drinking so much and being so loudTheBlueOne
- let's not forget how the free love mentality spread diseases like aids. super. thanks.7point34
- ninjasavant0
Fun fact: originally the concert organizers approached my elementary school principal to host the concert at his farm. Forseeing the potential damage to his land he declined. He's still a good friend of mine and his farm is beautiful.
- scarabin0
i read recently that half a million people showed up for woodstock.
500 fucking thousand people.
the entire first crusader army was only 30 thousand.
electric daisy carnival was 100 thousand.
burning man this year was 45 thousand.
- Biggest generation in history until you millenials popped up. do the mathTheBlueOne
- era4O40
Well, then perhaps size is part of my consideration for how epic an event is. The raves i've been to have had 300 people or less. I was at the US Open the other day and it only seats 22.5k. I cannot begin to imagine Woodstock.
- jerseyred0
Back in the 90's (high school + college) I went to a ton of raves and Phish shows. Phish had a bunch of 3 day festivals, Clifford Ball (Airforce base in Upstate NY), Great Went (Airforce base in Maine), and Big Cypress (Millennium festival in Florida's Seminole Reservation) - 70k, 75k, 85k respectively. We would pack up my van with our shit and drive 100's of miles to these gigs and just party. At a moment's notice at the drop of a hat there were 5 of us who would just take off...we never had any trouble (other than rain) or a bad trip (affectionately referred to as "turning white") We did it for the hang, the friendship, the girls, the drugs, the experience, and mostly the music. Trying to set up a tent in the rain while tripping hard on mushrooms more than once became a skill that no employer will comprehend but was the difference between life and death for our little tribe.
I can't do that shit anymore though - I got bills, freelance work, and a overwhelming fear now of sitting around doing nothing but getting fucked up. But it was great for the time, to be a young adult responsible for your own entertainment in a creative way - those were great times!
- God that sounds like fun. Thanks for inviting me, prick. I was in HS/College in the 90s too, y'know...era4O4
- ThePublics0
woodstock is bullshit, stop falling for boomer marketing ploys.
- cannonball19780
Your problem is that youre looking for woodstock. Your generations events are happening too, you just don't care. I don't either.
- yeh but they're full of the love children of hipsters and the Jonas brothers.mikotondria3
- dog_opus0
The epochal moment in my youth was watching the Berlin wall coming down on CNN (complete with Hasselhoff), followed shortly afterward by the demise of Soviet Russia. After growing up in fear of ICBMs falling, and seeing the ecstasy of East Germans reuniting with West Germans, it was pretty cool. Honestly, though, I appreciate these things much more now.
- lowimpakt0
yea - free raves were my woodstock. (cheese wha!!)
warehouses, quarries, disused carparks or beaches we always had the best of times.
some had thousands some had dozens but there was never a bad one.