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- ukit0
The point isn't without merit but on the other side of the spectrum there are plenty of graduates with boring, paint by numbers corporate-style work....so take your pick.
In America, most design school graduates would be looking at a 40 -50k salary. Expecting someone to show complete and total visual and conceptual mastery at that level, sure would be great, but not always realistic.
The fact that he shows creativity and an ability to understand current design trends (although I'm sure they're all very *LAST YEAR* to all of you) is not a bad place to start. He can easily add a few pieces of commercial work at which point kobashi or whatever will presumably be satisfied.
- Sorry, kaonashi. Couldn't be bothered to page back while writing:Oukit
- it's ok.kaonashi
- no one anywhere's paying 40-50 for an entry level. even if you birthed yourself out of paul rand's asshole you are looking at mid 30's.johndiggity
- at mid 30's max.johndiggity
- I got hired in @ 40k right after graduatingd_rek
- < Same hereukit
- dito0
nice work
- Corvo20
I just don't know why (as a trained recruiter you should have this sensibility) you're attacking an individual portfolio - transferring/projecting to him the deficiencies you see in an entire industry and (moreover) in a zeitgeist is not entirely fair. The shallowness you refer it's not his: it's roots lie on the increasingly specialization that is reflected in school curriculae and courses. Who asks for this? The market does.
I too rant about shallowness of gd a lot (I'm probably on the ignore list of 95% of the people here) but I never personalise it in this way.
In fact, I think this portfolio (although still lacking many clichés the industry is made of...) shows an overall intent of coherency and diversification in materials, presentation, etc. It's not "new" but it is interesting.
btw, I'm a recruiter too (not for agencies, though).
If you're so worried about the present state of affairs, fight agency work and let us have small design shops. As it should be (in my book): a craft, not an industry.
- Corvo20
It would be nice to have some feedback on the ideas posted above.
But that won't happen, I'm sure.
So you turn to lol, rofl and lmao.
- evanmade0
lets compare some student work: http://www.qbn.com/topics/592615…
- Corvo20
"Oh - I never thought about that post twice. I forgot all about it. It must have wrecked the place."
I'm guessing that's the theory now.
- Scotch_Roman0
OK kaonashi, there does seem to be a prevalence of style over substance, I'll agree with that much. However, there's no point in being rude. Don't take it out on us or some kid who's new at this. I don't know why you persist in being a dick to people around here, but cut it out. You're acting like a child.
- JasBhachu0
kaonashi -
under your topics you have a Jealousy topic. Within that, you wrote,
"I get very jealous of other worker's designs and talents.
I find this emotion is my greatest source of motivation".I'm glad I have inspired you to do some creative work.
- ********0
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Jas serves, and scores.
Match victory.
- Scotch_Roman0
I got a laugh from kaonashi's comment in my most recent thread where I was asking for some practical business advice. Apparently he had seen some similar threads from me, and thought it would be a good idea to tell me to "grow a pair figure it out on my own for once."
Last I checked, it takes heavy cojones to take the self-employment plunge. And though riches are not at my disposal, I am getting by thus far.
I was told recently that as a brand-new business owner, I should soak up all the advice I can get. He who goes it alone in the business world will die alone, and as a person who studied design and not business, you'd damn well better believe I'm going to ask for help.
My point in saying all this is that in case anyone wasn't 100% sure yet, kaonashi does not possess the voice of wisdom, seasoned recruiter that he may be.
Oh and Corvo2: you're DFB right. Agree 100%.
- kaonashi0
My advice is not null and void because I believe you shouldn't ask QBN every time you don't know which color socks to wear to work.
" you'd damn well better believe I'm going to ask for help."
No, you are not some brave businessman. The truth is you're being lazy and scared, and would rather make decisions based on the majority advice of a bunch of strangers on the internet, than to do your homework.
Kind of like the problem of design-for-designers....
- kaonashi0
http://www.qbn.com/topics/592705…
--------------------------------...Scotch_Roman, your work is far too good to constantly be worried about making the right decisions. You should have more confidence in yourself and your abilities. The same thought that you put into your work, those same critical thinking skills, can just as easily be applied to your business as well. You'll be a success (really, you're already a success), so stop worrying so much.
- kaonashi0
http://www.qbn.com/topics/592705…
--------------------------------...Jas, I am not jealous of your work. I am very content with the body of work I lay claim to.
I am slightly jealous of the praise you are receiving, but more so annoyed. While my advice seems harsh, consider what I say. Put your skills to use for someone besides your art professor.
- Scotch_Roman0
Well kaonashi, I am a lot of things, but lazy sure isn't one of them. Scared? Sure, but what entrepreneur doesn't get scared, especially when it's all new for them.
The truth is (I'm sure you'll disagree) that one can be a strong designer and a not-so-strong businessperson at the same time. While the two skill sets have certain overlaps, they are by and large right brain and left brain activities, respectively. A person who's not a natural at sales and business can become good at those things, but it takes hard work and the humility to ask for advice from people who are successful. I agree with you about the futility of designing for designers, but you're comparing apples to oranges. There are at least a few successful design entrepreneurs on QBN, so why not ask the peanut gallery in addition to my real-world friends and colleagues?
I've got a wife and son to look after, so I kinda don't want to fuck this up. I'm sure you can appreciate that. This is where the actual living out of my faith becomes a challenge, and it's something I pray over every day. It's an opportunity for faith to grow, but I rarely see it that way.
I've seen/heard of good designers blowing their careers so many times because they couldn't handle the business side. I don't want to join the ranks of casualties. I appreciate the compliments on my work, but design talent and conceptual prowess are only part of the equation.
I have a lot of confidence in my design skills, because I've learned from the best and I've been doing it for long enough. Not so much with the business stuff. Like I said, it's a totally different skillset. I do hope to have more confidence in that realm someday, but I'm just not there yet.
- d_rek0
Jas,
Just discovered this over at designboom...
http://www.designboom.com/weblog…
Congrats on the exposure :D
- JasBhachu0
Yeah I got in contact with Creative Review last week. This was posted yesterday -
http://www.creativereview.co.uk/…
Then it's just been everywhere.
- baseline_shift0
nice job man. its a real interesting piece.
