2d animation
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- malzone
anyone on qbn doing it for a living, and if so how is the industry these days? :) will it ever make a comeback and rival 3d?
- airey0
you mean like the entire motion industry - film, tv, online. yeah, that's tiny...
- Orbit0
I don't think its a 2d vs 3d competition, I think its more a case of trends. At the moment all this 3d stuff excites people so its the style du jour, but once its everywhere and becomes the norm someone will come along with an amazing 2d style that stands out against the background noise and then 2d will be the awesomeness once more.
Personally, I'm still perfecting a top secret 1d style. Its going to blow the fuzz right off your nuts.
- I watched Persepolis the other day and loved it. It would have stunk as a 3d-real animation. Horses for courses.Orbit
- airey0
yeah it's interesting, if you read DisneyWar the disney crowd tried saying that 2d animation was all over because pixar was cleaning up with 3d but they missed the point that the pixar films had great storylines etc. i think there's room for 2d but people always go to the disney style of films and they're failure as a mark of the medium rather than the obviously poor machine that has been disney of late.
- Autokern0
Animation is a quite wide profession.
Nowadays it spans from flash based animation to total 3d Movies and VFX. I have a chance to have a look at the industry (at least in the UK)
and i can tell you that there is no 3d vs 2d vs stop motion vs whatever. They all are the same thing.
And there is only one thing that drives it: budget. Period.According to that people (clients) and companies choose to go 2d or 3d, stop motion or mixed media.
One thing is sure like death tho: for the same budget you get better 3d than 2d.
- Orbit0
2d to my mind is the equivalent of printing 2 or 3 colour spot vs four colour process with specials. Each speaks in a different language and each is necessary for its own intended audience.
To say that 3d will kill 2d is like saying that the only way forward for graphics is for it all to look like the Attik becuase the attik do all that 6 colour with overlays stuff and that's the future. Thats not the future for someone who's doing the identity stationary and menu's for a really nice little independent restaraunt with a rustic vibe though. Same with animation. Persepolis would stink by pixar. Toy Story would suffer from a 2d treatment.
- on the other hand southpark is 3d.invisiblechamber
- http://www.spscripto…invisiblechamber
- broxybluenose0
2.5D
- babaganush0
Plus live action integration is a also a big part of it. Generally it's still down to good old fashioned story telling and ergo the best design/method to fit budget and required narrative/media
- invisiblechamber0
i think seeing the different techniques more just as tools than as predestination of style has a future. jasper morello displays a brilliant mix - taking the advantages of both 2+3d to create something unique.
- Autokern0
"One thing is sure like death tho: for the same budget you get better 3d than 2d."
Bit of explanation about this:
If you have a budget and an idea. for the same budget you with 3d you can play a lot more with the cinematography: camera movements, pans, close ups and such, which are quite important elements in the storytelling.
So given the same brief and story and storyboard 3D comes out way cheaper than 2D.Surely it all about the idea and taking advantage of the medium capabilities to achieve the best result. But again, animation today had a massive spread because has become cheaper and so is quite affordable for advertising purposes.
I'm not telling that 3d is better than 2d. I'm just stating the obvious.
On a related note: i had the chance to speak with a girl who worked for "the corpse bride". It took something like 3 years and 5 set on continuous production to get done. I think that in 3d it would have take around a year (employing the same number of people), and costed way less. But, evidently there money there wasn't the point.
- Your corpse bride story makes me realise I do not under-stand the differences from an industry/technical point ...Orbit
- of view. I would have said, naively, that TCB was a 3d animation.Orbit
- I was just considering it purely from an aesthetic point of view.Orbit
- i see.invisiblechamber
- Autokern0
Horp those notes are just a piss take or you were serious?
http://www.qbn.com/topics/592051…
- Orbit0
No, I was serious Auto. I genuinely don't know the first thing about animation and I really just assumed we were talking about the aesthetics of 'two dimensional art' vs 'three dimensional art'. After reading your post about The Corpse Bride I got the distinct impression these are more than just aesthetic considerations and that maybe '3D' is a technical terminology for a way of working.
- Autokern0
" '3D' is a technical terminology for a way of working. "
Well, now it's quite safe to say that.Take "Steamboy", http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348…
When i was watching it it seemed a "normal" Japanese production: 2d drawing with the crazy amount of detail they're used to stuff in there. But then at a certain point you start seeing things that in a normal 2d production are quite hard/long to achieve and then you realize that the big part of the movie is 3d: they did the models and then mapped them with drawings to make it look 2d.Or, recently me and my gf experimented the "toon render" in Maya and the result was... well you can hardly tell the difference (in the look) of a 3d render from a flat coloured illustrated style (WB style)
Even the Simpson's movie features a lot of 3d in there, masked as it is 2d. But you can tell from the camera movements and other moving details.
The "corpse bride" instead went in the opposite direction: they did it in stop motion with puppets, lights and DSLR cameras, because they wanted to (most likely because Tim Burton was comfortable with that way of working). And to me, that movie has a kind of 3d feel in the final effect.
The animation principles are the same either in 2d, 3d or stop motion. It's just the budget and the idea underneath that make the difference.
- babaganush0
Isn't Coraline 3d rendered to look like models? - exactly for the reason that you can achieve the same look without the intensive labour?