spec work etc
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- MrOneHundred0
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I just moved into the area and I felt like a sandwich for lunch. I don’t have much money, so I went to a new sandwich shop every day and told them my predicament. I suggested that they each make me a sandwich for free until I have tried them all, and when I find the one that I like the best, I promise to go back there whenever i feel like a sandwich.
- Just going back to the one place you liked the sandwich and pay for it the once would be more accurate.ETM
- Yep, I’m sure they’d be happy with that.MrOneHundred
- Meeklo0
Wow..
Did you listened to the AIGA lady?
Talking about how they are against spec work? wow..
I mean.. my mind is blown away..
Do you know how many times they use studios for promo work and don't pay them anything other than the costs of printing? wow..- Spec and pro-bono are two entirely different things.MrOneHundred
- technically you are correct, but in the end, they both under-value the work from the designerMeeklo
- um...how does Pro-Bono undervalue?jevad
- well, if you are doing it for an organization that is supposed to set an example in the design industry???Meeklo
- If they are supposed to fight for the rights of designers, why not set the example?Meeklo
- MrOneHundred0
...I mean why the fuck should I have to pay full price for something, just because someone studied their profession and took the risk of setting themselves up professionally, that’s their problem. I just need one logo and I probably won’t need to get anything else done for a long time. And did I mention I don’t have much money?
- Iggyboo0
The argument from Crowdspring is that their is a catch 22 for design students who are coming out of school and they don't have 3-5 years of experience to take a full time agency job. Well guess what the 3-5 years of experience designers their all fighting to stay employed or out of work and looking. But to those that are just starting they feel this overwhelming hopelessness because of the obvious obstacle that their competing with all these other professionals who have more experience.. And Crowdspring and the other guy up there stated they created an alternate route where designers without experience can work at home on sites like Crowdspring... I guess if you see that as a way to build your career maybe that can work for some individuals. Who are we to judge anyone in this job market but I don't think this alternate path makes a damned bit of sense in my own personal opinion. I can tell you gambling with your time and your creative work is only going to make you miserable as a creative. I also think that you can fight to get a good job by networking and interning first. That way you can witness the way work gets done at higher levels and learn from that process ideally.
I don't agree in blacklisting designers who do this I think your work speaks for itself. I just think that the economy is really that bad. In the good times spec is a part of the agency field big agency's through out spec work for giant bid projects. That being said spec is a part of the payment structure for those agencies that exist on that risk tolerance level and that doesn't equate for design studios that are smaller or freelancers who all need to get paid for their time and cant risk their time for the possible payoff. Meh much has been said about this subject. AIGA's position I hope is to both educate the young designer and the overly eager business professional who wants to buy a pre-made logo or have one competed for.
Spec = risk for designers, Spec = devaluation for designers pay and finally Spec = no respect for the work we do, and design as a whole.
- MrOneHundred0
There were designers coming out of school fighting for work way before crowdspring and even before the internets. That 3-5 years used to weed-out the mediocre and dispassionate from the driven and talented. Now they finish college and think the world owes them a fucking job working on the Nike account.
- tcmmct0
I think crowdspring is a useful tool in separating designers into two fields. High and low. If you are the type that doesn't put much into your work. As in putting something of yourself in; make it mean something to you while meeting the clients needs. Crowdspring may be right for you.
All of this worry about losing good clients to CrowdSpring isn't worth it. There are two types of clients. Those that value their image, and those that don't. Both kinds of clients will tend look for their type of designer.
It really helps weed out the people that aren't in it to do good work.
- VectorMasked0
We the fuck should people allow this shit?
It's one thing to attempt to separate the good from the bad as in any other profession, but what people SHOULDN'T do is separate both so one end ends up earning from $0 to minimum wage. It only hurts the ok/mediocre/good/educated people.
This is what fucking annoys me. This is why we get shit clients at work that request an enormous amount of work for a fraction of it and think that's what's industry standard because they saw something online for like $199. Some of this "shit" clients could be "ok" clients since some have the money/potential to pay for services that will be performed by educated people on loans that too have to pay rent, cable, car leases and send their kids to kindergarten.
This is exactly the kind of shit that causes all of us to go on rants right here on QBN coz our friend wants a website for $250, or a dude refuses to pay for already-performed services or a we get what we think it could be a good client only to meet and realize they are cheap bastards simply coz they have been brainwashed with the idea that design is cheap and easy since a 15-year-old submits logo designs from paint onto those nasty logo sites.
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- calculator0
This guy is a "popular designer" on crowdspring:
http://www.crowdspring.com/myspr…
If his folio dropped on my desk with that quality of work in, he wouldn't get an interview.