Sydney became LAME
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- cannonball0
"accepting that tagging is inextricably linked part of the culture"
no.
- cannonball0
If you want to put a picture on a wall, you have to ask it's owner. Otherwise you are an asshole.
Regardless of how much of an artist you might think you are.
- flashbender0
- yeah man, keep it real!
reclaim the space!Hoax - exactlybabaganush
- yeah man, keep it real!
- RIZ0
I can totally see your side of the argument here Autoflavour - and with plenty or reason. I guess the whole point of this is simply that people hate taggers, but appreciate the craft involved great 'street art'. I think you'll find most people who post here will agree. And although there is the question - "How can you appreciate it if you appreciate tagging" - the fact still remains that no one likes their house / wall / car / studio tagged by some young punk with a marker - and that's fair enough. So maybe the government should be spending more money on education instead of draconian measures such as this? But when you look at the kind of results achieved by New Yorks zero tolerance policy it must be hard for local councils and governments to deny the simple fact that the policies will actually yield the results they want to achieve.
- stem0
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- stem0
- Khurram0
The whole point of graffitti as an art-form is that it IS illegal and it IS vandalism and is perpetrated by those who have no stake in their environment. That's its raison d'être.
Trying to allocate "safe zones" or encouraging more of the stuff completely misses the point of what its about.
Not all "art-forms" are there to make people happy and smile at how pretty and expertly done it is.
I say, give graffiteeers life imprisonment, make 'em earn that shit. Only the true nut-cases will survive. No more bourgeois wannabe "ghetto" kids on gap years making "statements".
Fuck the world with a saw-off aiiiight....
- i.e the more illegal it is, the more real it is.Khurram
- wordStylus
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- pr20
Some of you are such tools. You are coming from creative field and yet were stuck in the corporate dumpster for way too long and now thing that art should have boundaries and follow the rules. Yet, it shouldn't! Graffiti, tagging, collages made out of sticky paper on the train... It all is some kind of expression and in on way or another deals with the status quo (or the establishment not wanting to change anything). Most of it is not pretty or meaningful or going beyond the stupidity of the person doing it but... It is art in one way or another.
- just because something can be labeled art doesn't mean u have to like it or embrace itStylus
- Hoax0
as cool and artistic as it may have become, ultimately if you choose to do it on property that it is not yours, you are committing a crime. face up to it. i love graffiti, not that i can do it, but i love to look at it, on the streets at on canvas... but that doesn't excuse it. old school writers accepted their fate, they knew it was a crime. what's up with kids today crying about being thrown in jail for shit.
if you write your name 100 times in 100 different places, calculate the cost of cleaning that. it runs into the thousands. doesn't seem so harmless anymore.
with regards to having markers and spray cans, i can see no reason to be wandering the streets holding these if you have them for a legal reason, if you're on your way somewhere i'm sure it's no problem, as is the same for a hammer. if i buy a hammer and walk home with it in a bag, no problem. if i sat on the sidewalk, holding a hammer at night, hammer takes on a different meaning.
or something.
blah.
- not denying its a crime. but am opposed to the punishment being so out of line with the crimeautoflavour
- but with a hammer you dont have to prove you are not going to smash a window.autoflavour
- well you do, it is class an offensive weapon... theres no legit reason to sit around with cans of paint on the streets.Hoax
- and 6 months jail time / $2000 fine, for causing upwards of $2000 of damage? disproportionate?Hoax
- lukusW0
.. it's an act of rebellion, but it's also an act of conformance imo - a lot of graffiti doesn't excite me so much any more. Tagging is basically the equivalent of territorial pissing, as far as I'm concerned.. it's a part of social culture, and I don't mind seeing it - but if someone tagged my garage I might be pissed off.
I've always loved Barcelona for it's graffiti - which seems original and unique to me, but I guess it's just because I'm not so used to seeing that style.
- autoflavour0
next you will be telling me that musicians should only play on stages or in designated music spaces.
- mikotondria30
hahaha, when we moved house a few months ago, the only fridge magnet letters that survived and made it to our new house spell 'ROMANES'. I think 'Romaes Eunt Domus - People called Romans, they go, the house' every time I'm in our kitchen :).
- ninjasavant0
Would I rather hear the struggling jazz trio on stage or the guy playing disney covers under the bridge on his trumpet? I'll go for the jazz trio. If, as is common in major metro areas, property owners want to pay good graffiti artists to make a mural on their wall I'm all for it. Good graffiti art makes urban places more interesting and attractive. But does that mean that any two bit moron with a marker or can of paint should be able to scribble some ugly monogram on every surface they see fit, obscuring signs and making urban places look like shit? No. It does not.
- autoflavour0
its not a question of appreciating tagging, its a question of accepting that tagging is inextricably linked part of the culture.. and if you on the one hand like stencils and pieces, then you kind of have to accept that tagging will inevitably come along with it.
i accept tagging as something which comes with street art. its like accepting that if you own a dog, eventually you will step in its shit.
its no reason to get rid of the dog.. you just clean up.maybe a bit too simplistic.. but reasonably sound.
- Stylus0
baaaahhhhh I'm autoflavour baaaaahhhhhh advertising is evil baaaaahhhhh i like stickers baaaaahhhhh i like fighting on the internet baaahhhhh I can't handle that the other kids don't think I'm cool baaaahhhh baaaaaahhhhh baaahhhhh
- time to put this sheep out of it's miseryStylus
- you're just a corporate whore tory scum! *writes name on your face*
HAH.Hoax - < wasn't being serious. incase anyone didn't get it.Hoax
- stylus you fascist oppressor! :)
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- moth0
Anyway. Tagging? Aren't you all about 30 years too late?
- autoflavour0
also i am not sure there is much the government can really do.. at the end of the day, even if the councils dedicated large walls for public art around the city, the rush of bombing lines or getting up where you are not supposed to would mean most would still do it.
well, they would use both.
perhaps akin more to skateboarding. reclamation of public space, regardless of what you are told to do.
- *yawn no new ideas or opinions your a sheep thats takes your cues from elsewhereStylus
- your ideas are so forth coming there styus.. they are just overwhelmingautoflavour
- autoflavour0
cant have one without the other. regardless of how you feel. i dont particularly like tagging either, but i accept it as a part of the culture.
also i know that if i dont accept it, it means nothing anyway. writers will keep bombing shit regardless of what you or I think.
- stem0
"and is perpetrated by those who have no stake in their environment"
I get what you're saying - and I think this is justified.
However, most people I have known who did tagging/graffiti were just kids who came from "normal" family backgrounds, their parent(s) worked and had no major grievance with "The World" or "Society". They were by no means "Marginalised" or "Oppressed", I guess they were just a bit bored and after a bit of a buzz.
- exactly. Graffiti needs to go back to its roots of being perpetrated by the children of crack-whores. one.Khurram