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- tank020
- (stupid)francoisfido
- no its not.
it proves a point.
designers inspire designers.
know you history, you fool.tank02 - tank02, you are an idiot.set
- no tank, you iz correct sir.airey
- this post makes no sense and the comparisons between these pieces is idiotic.amongthemasses
- the point was that design inspires design, sorry i'm working, no time
to find better examplestank02 - yes tank. you clearly know your 'design history'.francoisfido
- if you are working get off QBN and quit posting.amongthemasses
- Yes, i do actually.
Members such as Neue, Digdre or Moamoa can vouch for that...tank02 - ...you know members that actually have a positive inlfuence...tank02
- rendering at the moment, among the masses...i got another 5 minutes ;)tank02
- yawn. I was missing you already.amongthemasses
- the real one who should go away and never come back is amongthemasses. YES YOU KIDDOdigdre
- digdre are you actually calling me a kiddo. grow some hair tom then talk to me.amongthemasses
- hey you know my name, you have double account man! who are you... afraid to post in yer real name?digdre
- More people would vouch for tank. He knows what he's talking about.Jaline
- Jaline go back to the blog thread where you belong. this is a design thread.amongthemasses
- you forget me jaline, you totally forgetting me on this onedigdre
- Nothing changes the stupidity of this example in relation to this thread.francoisfido
- (JMB and El Lissitzky would not vouch for you.)francoisfido
- exactly fido this post makes no sense.amongthemasses
- It has a point.
If you don't see it, that is your stupidity.tank02 - (go back to your 'motion graphics'.)francoisfido
- My ego is so weak i need to have on a 19 year old boy.tank02
- atleast tank has some skills.
never seen yours.digdre - thanks digdre, but you don't need to defend me.
Its not about my work. i know what i'm worth.tank02 - k. clicking 27 times is just to much here.digdre
- indeed.tank02
- 29!tank02
- 303point14159
- 31!tank02
- Do you have a portfolio, amongthemasses? I'm stating a fact about tank.Jaline
- excuse me whilst i excrete over this particular pile of putrid notationfrancoisfido
- and then they result in reactions like this. Nice, you prove my point, nickie boy...tank02
- lol in your
facefrancoisfido - .digdre
- francoisfido = capsize = nick = nilsnihil, is he not?janne76
- nomagnificent_ruin
- tank020
Take it easy fella's.
Kid got talent, let him find his way, he is still young.
Some members are again way out of line, and you see them only coming out the of the woodwork to criticise, a damn shame.
Spend that time working instead of hating on a 19 (!) year old kid.Grow up.
- +1digdre
- they come out of the toiletcombustion
- ...it's not time to make a change, just relax, take it eeeasy, you'e still young, that's your fault...
babaganush
- blackspade0
"The pleasure of criticizing robs us of the pleasure of being moved by some very fine things." - Jean de la Bruyere
- combustion0
What you do for living?
- digdre0
kid's got spunk
- nessdog0
Actually stealing someone's work (like batesole) is WRONG, but being inspired by something is a totally different thing. Lots of people come up with the same ideas / like the look of the same stuff. 3/4 of the people on this site with online folios have stuff I've seen before somewhere. Get over yourselves!
- however, as a client I'd be pissed off to pay for a job, have it go into production and then find an 'original'.max_prophet
- not too good for your brand image is it, to be identified as what could be construed as copying?max_prophet
- but he's only 19, so we'll cut him some slack.max_prophet
- *gets over selfmax_prophet
- i'm talking inspired by.. not copied. I've had loads of clients want something similar to something they've seen before.nessdog
- xxxnessdog
- francoisfido0
you people,
need to spend less time on the internet.
- fate_0
Airey, YES, that is a huge pet peeve of mine.
It's always so weird whenever the HyperIsland students graduate and suddenly 24 people are all taking credit for the same piece of work. You know only 2 or 3 design geeks actually came up with and put together those pieces.
- I wonder that all the time too. What is the etiquette...Jaline
- airey0
yeah, a rip is what happened in the batesole incident where a studio was actually using other designers work in their folio.
none of the designs shown before this are anything but very commonly used methods / styles / visual cliches, to me anyway.
i think fate_ raised a valid point in that an issue lies in the representation of someone's skills and folio. this is where the designers folio 'should' work though, in that the quality of the delivery is obvious straight away.
along this line, does anyone else struggle with the concept of people using finished designs in their folio when they were only a part of a team? i've seen great work shown as folio when i know the people showing it played a very minor role (like was a mac monkey on a financial section yet shows the whole annual report as their work). this is an even more grey area to me.
- sikma0
i agree with you guys. having your work ripped off and seeing someone else take credit is terrible. and i hope it doesn't happen to me or anyone else.
but like i said before none of this stuff really says "rip" to me. it just looks like someone who spent all day on ffffound looking for inspiration.
- francoisfido0
Hey look, another kdu schmuck...
- There are actually some good designers who are a part of that community.Jaline
- hhahakinkyform
- They may be annoying, but it doesn't take everything away from a few of their pieces.Jaline
- what do you know about good design?francoisfido
- more than you , nick.tank02
- fate_0
Airey, I think beyond simply saying "this is a rip!", a more important question is which of his works is actually his? Which ideas can he own, legitimately?
This is important to answer, for him, for us. Especially since he's calling himself an "Art Director". If you want to make the argument that any of those pieces I called out are from "styles" or "methods" that are so well established, then you also have to make the argument that none of the work I've posted actually belongs to Ravi...it's not his work, it's the "communities" or "design industry" or whoever you want to attribute them to. But not his.
It's a question of originality.
- that there is a good point.airey
- personally i think the idea of owning ideas is where the argument fails.johndiggity
- Yeah, fuck a concept. Style over substance!fate_
- set0
Sikma, what if I went through your portfolio and went to the locations of the shots and took photos from the same angle. Would it then be ok if my execution was better?
Not the best of comparisons, photography is different from graphic design, but still...
- airey0
i agree with sikma.
what i find interesting is that we are not going to all agree on things that effect our profession yet at least we should be able to discuss them.
fate_ was able to do so, yet amongthemasses thinks i'm a moron for feeling that points like this need to be discussed. my apologies for wasting your obviously important time.
- sikma0
is it really copying? all those ideas are so played out they more or less have become public domain.
lets forget about "who did it first" and pay attention to the execution.
- i agree.airey
- I'd feel cheated as a client or employer.max_prophet
- fate_0
I mean FFS, he's 19 and calling himself an "Art Director?"
He lists DepthCore as one of this clients. Really? DepthCore?
Bottom line, his entire portfolio is what I would consider dishonest.
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Clients: Mooks, Lee's Jeans, K·Swiss, Royal Elastics, L'Oreal, Redken, Oakley, Bowen-Paul Arico, Daniel Thawley, The KDU, UV Magazine, Hint Magazine, Computer Arts, Pigeon Combine, Lost Valentinos, Sydney Olympics Park, BP Solar, Reeves, Jasco, State of Tomorrow, Whitehouse Institute of Design, Jana Bartolo, Imagine Publishing, Depthcore LCC and Weekend Magazine.
--------------------------------...- That's not even mentioning the photos that he "retouched."fate_
- fate_0
Airey, an established method or style I'd consider "minimalism" or using Helvetica for every possible thing, or hell, even abstract 3d.
I'd consider what you're describing as genres. Not blatant repeats.
- set0
I'm with fate on this one, its very blatant copying in my books.
- airey0
1: the flowers / flora on type is a design style that i could list here from hundreds of designers sites. you list an example next to ravi's but that's an example you discovered first. it's been around a long while and in fact can be found being used massively in the 60's in illustrated form. it'd call it a style.
2: i lectured for 2 years around 1998 and had a wall of laserprints from students who scanned their faces in the first week of their course when they discovered their brand new tools. in '94 when i did my course we had a class clown who did the same. could that be called original at any stage?
- airey you are stupid. go back to the irrelevant threads where you belong.amongthemasses
- why?airey
- because you are making no sense as usual.amongthemasses