Lisbon Treaty
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- Corvo20
67%... doesn't look like a tangential or an unwilling forced result.
- Oh, no, yet strangely the very same ppl changed their mind in just a year. All it took was to scare them a little.raf
- The govt did all in its power to put Ireland deep into crisis, they virtually slaughtered the Celtic Tiger last Autumn by tax raises.raf
- Ppl got scared they'd end up like Iceland and believed EU would save them. The joke's called shock doctrine, never gets old.raf
- ..never gets old.raf
- bliznutty0
As the Daily Mail reported earlier this week, one of the first orders of business for the post-Lisbon EU will be to appoint Tony Blair as the first President of the European Union.
- Elfangio0
I am from a small country in UE and I vote YES...
- Ravdyk0
I vote yes
- raf0
According to official sources, what the treaty does is "streamline decision making". In other words it takes away any power from small countries and hands it to 3-4 largest countries: Germany, France, UK and Italy - all with imperial past. Small countries lost virtually all protection from being bullied they had.
Ireland screwed itself and deserved isult added to injury is that Tony Blair is likely to become the first president of EU.
- GeorgesII0
this treaty had to pass,
now lets get ready for the next phase of the destruction of national identity.
- raf0
Over a year has passed...
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So, here we go (went) again. Lisbon Treaty voted yes in second referendum in Ireland yesterday.
- 23kon0
i saw on the news that Lisbons can now legally get married!
:O
- rafalski0
Even if my Mac Mini died, this Friday 13th might turn out to be a good one to remember..
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper…
- sfeske0
oh yeah, like that's not going to become corrupt... wait, become?
- hedge0
Easy with the anti-Irish remarks.
- rafalski0
How Irish.. Voting closed, but there are no exit polls, all the country watched Poland get kicked out of the euro2008 in pubs.
Who gives a shit about the referendum, what's done is done and we'll find out eventually..
Actually that's quite a healthy approach.
- mikotondria30
Mm..yes and no, Mr H..
I would be a fool to say that I disapproved of them totally, as I all too readily give them my money in return for the benefits of their scale, however the way that they use this power to disrupt the process of democracy in this and every other country leaves much to be desired.
I have no problem with the idea of eg Oil companies making massive profits from the rise in crude prices - hey, if the demand for my services went up I'd be the 1st to take advantage and count the cash, but as our own Claire McCaskill pointed out yesterday, why they continue to fuel that profit with tax breaks paid for by every one of us, whether we buy their product directly or not irks me.
My real bug bear with is with how large corporations operate, not the principles of their operation.
All too frequently they bully and manipulate people.
- hedge0
It sounds to me like you're just against large corporations period.
- large corporations are the ones that get away with shits and bends the laws. mid size and small can't.akrokdesign
- True.A large corporation could chew you up and spit out the dust, and you'd have no chance, hedge.mikotondria3
- mikotondria30
The people that sell you your food, your oil and your money are far more powerful in your life than any politicians can be. Politicians only get one vote from you every few years, and only a small amount of your income as taxes.
A very small number of large entities get the rest, and it's almost impossible to stop powering them whilst still living in society and using money.
This treaty is their attempt to further homogenise their domains and allow for the easier, more secure and swifter flow of capital.
A european army ? So what ? No one european nation's army can effectively do squat against any other without the back-up of all the others, and the will to use them will be manipulated by said mega-corporations anyway.
It would appear that were this to go ahead local power will be devolved to people that speak different languages and live slightly further away, whilst the reality would be that that 'further away' would not seem as different, nor would it be.
Imagine a europe 100, 200 years in the future - is it more unified, or not ? The answer is that it is, so this can be done now, or left to the next generations to do.- as soon as there's a european army there will be a war for them to fight in. somewhere far away probably.oozie
- bolus0
vote yes.