problem with Microsoft
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- Llyod0
and so is Lee Clow
- ********0
I'm not sure I'm getting this right, but for example MS is accused in the EU (judged and found guilty and his paying a lot of money for it) to "dominate the market", and leaving no space to other systems... But what systems where/are there? You could say Microsoft ripped Apple on their "window" OS idea. True story - but apart from that are we sueing companies that just grow too successful? Even if they're accused of blocking other systems to develop, on what platform where those systems developed?
It's just like I invented writing, but then I get sued for every poem that doesn't apply to my grammar. You see.
I think it's not fair. It was just a clever company who came to dominate the market and now it gets blamed for it?
- I agree with you. I don't hate ms for it's business practices. Just for making things uglyLlyod
- Sorry for the bad english.********
- oh shut up that's even worse and you should be fined ;)********
- monkeyshine0
ex-nerd? once a nerd, always. there's no return from such a thing.
I'm intrigued by those of you who are mystified by the anti-Microsoft sentiment? If you've used any Microsoft product for very long how can you not grow to hate it? They release buggy, bloated software...it's a recipe for mediocrity.
- same thing could easily be said of pretty much every Adobe product ever madeLlyod
- you're getting it wrong. It's not the software, it's how people think that brings mediocrity.********
- I guess it's perspective then. I love Photoshop and I love Illustrator. Everyone I know hates Word.monkeyshine
- hmmm. Not sure we're talking about the same thing.********
- ********0
- exactly. MS's taste is in the mouth of a salesmanLlyod
- Imagine what his breath smells like.MrOneHundred
- Llyod0
these are the people in charge of marketing
http://www.microsoft.com/presspa…- So many looking so bad? Maybe they're selling cars on freelance :P********
- jk********
- j Allard looks like he might fuck you up - big time.MrOneHundred
- So many looking so bad? Maybe they're selling cars on freelance :P
- acescence0
they came to dominate the market for their business tactics, not because they actually provide a superior product, because they don't. it is crystal clear now with the fiasco that is vista that they are incompetent within their core business, which is the operating system. they took the hard work of others (the original codebase for all versions of windows was NOT developed by MSFT) and made minor incremental changes, and through bullying became dominant. then they decided with vista that they were going to start from scratch, but oops, they figured out that they're clueless a to how to successfully write an OS from scratch, scrapped it all and went back to patching up the same f'ing codebase. hopefully as people see that linux can provide a similar experience for a far lower cost of ownership, enough businesses will jump ship and they will go away.
- oh come on. how many OS do you know prior to Macintosh or Microsoft with a GUI?********
- I started on mac, then dos, then irix, then windowsLlyod
- xerox alto, star, perq, apple lisa, visi, GEM, geos, amiga 1000acescence
- those where graphical interfaces or prompt line?********
- those are all gui. the first gui xerox was released 12 years before windowsacescence
- ok then.********
- oh come on. how many OS do you know prior to Macintosh or Microsoft with a GUI?
- designbot0
"They release buggy, bloated software...it's a recipe for mediocrity."
I have used both Vista and the new Leapord...and I have to say Leopard certainly is not bug free. I had another post about this. Mac releases new updates for the new Leopard constantly and I have had some major issues with it giving me the spinning beachball of death.
I honestly have to say I am digging Leapord and the Mac I work on (then again, it's the fastest G5 available) but I also think Vista is pretty dope. Vista is super stable from my experience ( never had it crash once)...but it does require a fast system to run and is somewhat "bloated". I would guess alot of people that talk smack about Vista, have never even used it.
- jfletcher0
"they came to dominate the market for their business tactics, not because they actually provide a superior product"
This is very true. MS is very smart business wise and they went for aspects around Partner sales that worked very well. It's worth noting that when Apple tried that they nearly died! Apple is Apple because they *are Apple, and not anyone else.
Apple is the foil the Microsoft. They can't survive without each other in many ways. You have to have both, and both recognize that. Apple can never do what Microsoft does for it's customers and to an extent the reverse is also true.
Arguments like MS "stole" from Apple are stupid because everyone stole from Xerox and Ives "stole" from D.Rams. They simply applied good design principles used by others to make they're product better. If you accuse MS of stealing say the same for Apple or stop being a one sided fanboy.
I have an Apple and run both Vista and OSX through bootcamp. I love them both for different reasons, but I will say the Apple side crashes less.
- ********0
Who invented the poster? The bloody Egyptians? They were never sued for being so bold with graphics.
Also, I don't remember Gutenberg being sued for inventing block-printing and mass distribution of similae books. He didn't came up with book himself. Just a way of generalising them. Probably there where a lot of gutenbergs at the time trying to do what he did, but he did it better, or faster.
- Maybe Gutenberg stole some ideas from weavers? who knows?********
- Maybe Gutenberg stole some ideas from weavers? who knows?
- acescence0
i have no issue with their business tactics, but i'm not trying to compete with them so why should i? but they should be, and i think they are concerned that their position is slowly slipping away. sure vista looks nice, but what happened to all those features that vaporized in the eons it took to release it? and there is nothing short of a revolt going on with businesses resisting vista and ms releasing sp3 and pushing back the kill date for xp again and again and again. there are some linux distros making great strides in ease of deployment. osx is also no slouch in adding new features, and bugs notwithstanding it's actually getting faster with each release.
- ********0
If Gutenberg and friends were pushing book-printing today (or rather if we were working in book-printing at that time), he would be under the same fire and criticism as Microsoft is right now - that's all I'm saying.
- yeah, who cares about these anti-Microsoft people...let's have fun now...Jaline
- Glitterati_Duane0
So far I've experienced buggyness on all of my Macs and all of my Adobe programs. No technology is without fault. Microsoft technology just takes buggyness to a whole new level.
- Llyod0
I've had the most bugs on 3d studio max. I crash windows about once per year.
- pr20
yeah get real both MS and Apple are evil corporations. it's just Apple with its great PR fools you into think that they are cool while in reality they are just as nerdy as MS is.
- Complexfruit0
NEEERRDDSSSSS!!!!!
- jfletcher0
From what I've seen Gates seems to be one of the few people who will create great benifit in the world. Let's compare what he does with his money to most other billionaires. He doesn't have airplanes with solid gold sinks, has personal islands in Dubai he uses one week a year, or only wears his clothes once. He's down to earth, and still a nerd.
In the end, he'll do more good for the world that most others in similar positions.