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- Llyod
99% more talent than this message board combined
- edd-e0
ru sure you arent uber?
;)
- Llyod0
I'm Llyod
- Llyod0
uber died. he choked to death on a ham sandwich.
- MAN, you're so awesome!Drno
- SO uber was mama cass?flashbender
- creative-0
Give the boy a peanut
- drgs0
looking at his shaky trunk,... do you guys sometimes have shaking hands like the day after a heavy night out
- Corvo0
Are you sure? Most people do the stuff their CEO tells them to do.
- Corvo0
^ I have to protest about this. That was completely unnecessary and tasteless, drgs.
You have to grow up a great deal, Mister. One thing is to follow a loose general bad joke and cast a lousy comment like we all do from time to time - happens to me a lot. But another thing is deliberately picking on someone or trying to exemplify what is already a bad joke in a completely unnecessary and irrelevant manner like you just did.
But, LOL, you unwillingly have chosen just the wrong illustration to do it - which, in a sick twist of fate, ends up illustrating your poor ability to engage in any kind of relevant conversation. One thing is true, evidently: it stresses your natural talent for aggression - which you might want to consider and reflect upon a little.
- drgs0
Im not aggressive, i have low tolerance for fucking bullshit
and in case youre wondering about the low level of consistency in my posts, well its probably because im having too much fun and dont give a shitBut i keep my stand, and for once i will explain why that picture which elephants draws, is too human, meaning it is drawn or simplified in a way a human would do it -- by how we describe it verbally, in layers. For example, in all languages a face is easiest described as having a general face shape, two eyes, a nose.. etc. An animal or a person who can not speak doesnt see or differentiate between different features of the face (!) as separate composites (in the same way in some languages theres no word for green, and so speakers of that language do not see the color, for them its just blue). So if drawn by an elephant the image should come out extremely realistic, which the elephant cannot do due to lack motoric skill
- brains0
I don't know what everyone is on about. Come have a drink in the Maker's Mark thread. It's friday for fuck sake.
- anzelina0
Does anyone know how they train the elephants to do this? Like, how does the elephant learn that a paint brush will make marks on a paper, etc?
- boobs0
We've got a guy here who draws like that. We make him sit in the corner and answer the phone.
- drgs0
elephants are clever animals, but animals do not have the urge to express themselves artistically, and is exactly what separates them from humans
the process is purely mechanic
- Corvo0
"(in the same way in some languages theres no word for green, and so speakers of that language do not see the color, for them its just blue)"
bullshit.
"But i keep my stand,"
I was once accused of being pusillanimous: little they know the strength and scope of comprehension you need to bring some flexibility to your mind. Stubbornness is not a quality, but comprehension is.
Also, I do not have a clue how an animal thinks. I only have hints.
- drgs0
animal doesnt think, it has reflexes
abstract thinking, visualization and memory are connected with language. For example small children remember nothing of their childhood until the period they learn to speak, because language is the format memories are stored inhttp://blog.wired.com/wiredscien…
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- ukit0
Yeah but animals have language don't they? You can't expect them to bust out some Oxford level English. Dolphins definitely do anyway. elephants too, probably.
- drgs0
i suppose, but its sort of in-built... not something they learn. and probably very limited. i dont know
do u see wild animals draw out of their own will?
- Corvo0
^ look drgs, that instant reflex-only theory for animals has long been questioned by the most eminent ethology scientists.
For example, you could say that human thinking is based on a complex relation with the gratification/penalty rule too, like Konrad Lorenz used to talk about. but what would separate us from a dog then? don't you learn what is right (you get an A) or what is wrong (you get a D-)? What's the difference? Organically, and in terms of learning, we're no better than any other animal.
The difference is we question what we learn. But that no one has ever been able to explain.
- I mean our process of learning right from wrong is not sophisticated. Sophisticated is our process of doubt.Corvo
- drgs0
>Organically we're no better than any other animal
I'll actually agree on that, but still when animals learn they simply learn new reflexes, no? I havent looked into that any deeper
- i don't know either - but there is footage of an orangutangus probing the depths of a pond, without ever being taught.Corvo