Global Warming
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- gramme0
meh...I don't have the energy, nor the time. I gotta hit a couple deadlines – going to Costa Rica tomorrow, baby!!
- have a great trip, Im headed to Tokyo on Friday.mrdobolina
- Nice man, enjoy! :)gramme
- Make sure you take a breathing mask, it's really polluted in Tokyo.somatica
- wow, you are relentless.mrdobolina
- harlequino0
what's "YEC?"
- Youn Earth Creationists, they believe the earth is only 6-10,000 years old.mrdobolina
- Sounds like a pedo front.harlequino
- Mimio0
I'd be interested to hear the YEC explaination. I haven't laughed nearly enough today.
- gramme0
of course you guys will say I'm not qualified to make educated decisions about good vs. bad science since I'm a Creationist.
Oh, the irony...heh.
- bingo. you aren't one of those YEC's though are you?mrdobolina
- I don't have a very strong opinion either way about an old or young earth.gramme
- The way I see it, if God exists and can create worlds, then who really cares if it took 6 days or 6 billion years.gramme
- ...He could've done it in 6 minutes, if he felt so inclined.gramme
- //and that's been proven by science and stuff... :Pmrdobolina
- gramme0
Well ultimately lowimpakt, the science I've seen from the people who say global warming is from the sun seems a lot stronger than the science that says it's our fault. The people who say it's our fault are not being mindful of our geological history. The way I see it, you can't understanding where you're going if you don't understand the past. There are such vast differences in the reading of the geological and solar signs, that makes me think one of the two groups has their asses on backwards. The notion that global warming is our fault, and the popularity of that claim and its ensuing fallout can be blamed solely on media hype, in my opinion.
I found this interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim…
- lowimpakt0
we can cheerypick theories all day because there are plenty out there.
I'm interested in why you put your faith in one theory from one professor over the other theories based on peer-reviewed studies by thousands of scientists around the world?
i'm fully open to these scientists being wrong/suffering from cognitive lock-in etc.
- gramme0
I'm not a scientist by any stretch of the imagination, but I thought the real scientists interviewed by the BBC had it dead on. The show was aired on google video for a while, too bad it's now MIA.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/scie…
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/…See "New global warming theory". I'd trust astronomers in Denmark before I'd trust Al Gore.
- I think maybe your disdain for liberals is clouding your vision.mrdobolina
- lowimpakt0
does anyone here have actual academic or professional knowledge of these issues?
lots of opinion and conjecture.
- None of us are scientists, can we really be certain? I think it all comes down to who you believe.mrdobolina
- that may be true - on another note. how come you're always getting into scraps? :)lowimpakt
- I'm opinionated and liberal but not a pacifist.mrdobolina
- ha. keep it that way.lowimpakt
- mrdobolina0
"See, the thing we all agree on is pollution is bad and it should be stopped, slowed down etc. So we can argue the particulars of what pollution causes or we can move forward on the thing we agree on. makes a lot of sense to me."
- gramme0
Hear here, stem & somatica. I don't think anyone here denies that global warming is happening and that everyone should do their part to live and consume in an environmentally conscientious way. However, whomever buys the bad science that it's our fault deserves to have their tax dollars plundered by research into a problem we have no control over. If you want to stop global warming, try to find a way to tell the sun to back off. That's the culprit. It'll eventually move away again and the planet will cool off accordingly...you guys watch, in 20 years the global cooling scare a la 1970's will be back in force. We'll look back at charlatans like Al Gore and have ourselves a good chuckle.
- stem0
If suddenly global warming was proven to be just a natural occurence and not a serious threat in the long term? We'd have a lot of scientists/government leaders looking for jobs.
Well, not just scientists and government leaders, the world of business is now eager to flex it's green credentials and has now become a massive selling tool to lure 'socially and ethically conscious consumers'.
Some companies entire output relies on this mantra being proved a reality.
and now M&S are on the bandwagon
http://www.mandslibrary.co.uk/pr…
I'm not saying any of these are bad products, I'm just saying that we must also be aware that we are be asked to part with our cash and when that happens, there's always a bit of trickery involved
- mrdobolina0
See, the thing we all agree on is pollution is bad and it should be stopped, slowed down etc. So we can argue the particulars of what pollution causes or we can move forward on the thing we agree on. makes a lot of sense to me.
- I don't think "slowing down" is a solution. We have to rethink the way we do things!monkeyshine
- agreed but no change is going to happen over night or over a decade for that matter.mrdobolina
- somatica0
Who is defending pollution? Have I missed someone standing at a podium giving a speech FOR pollution, and after they're done everyone stands up and applauds them as they've given a great speech defending pollution? Have I missed the "Honk if you love pollution" bumper stickers?
- quit trying to fight me, fuckhead.mrdobolina
- who was talking to you?somatica
- see what I did there mrdobolina. It was obvious above you were talking to me, so to prove it to you I just played your little game. Silly isn't it.somatica
- played your little game. Silly isn't it?somatica
- not sure what you are so angry about.mrdobolina
- Angry? Go back up and read your post to 'us'. I think you have a bit more anger in your voice than I friendo.somatica
- view the next post. I am still unsure what we disagree on.mrdobolina
- I don't believe I've ever had a conversation with anyone more pig-headed. If you don't see what you did then forget it.somatica
- wow you want to fight pretty bad, hey?mrdobolina
- mrdobolina0
Just don't find yourself defending pollution, because that is what many times happens when you fight against doing something about global warming.
- defending pollution? who's done that?... and there's NOTHING TO DO about Global Warming...PonyBoy
- it's now called CLIMATE CHANGE you ninny!!! :DPonyBoy
- didn't say you did.mrdobolina
- akrokdesign0
do something, instead of bitching or complain. i'm sure you know most of the things you can do.
- PonyBoy0
let's drop back 34 years again... :)
- stem0
Global Warming? - that is so 1990's...
It's called 'Climate Change' now (which is of course what climate is/does), watch this.
- monkeyshine0
- its a great one.akrokdesign
- I have professional experince of Cradle to Cradle design - it isn't all it's cracked up to belowimpakt