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- ********0
drive can make a person blind, maybe.
- ukit0
Gaffe or cry for help from one of her racist supporters?
- ********0
"By now, we now that Hillary Clinton will do or say anything in her mad pursuit of power. It's her only motivation at this point, trumping concerns about party unity, this fall's elections, and even her family's legacy. It's sad, no doubt.
But as much attention and outrage has been generated by the RFK references, I'm still ultimately more bothered by her willful and repeated distortions of truth. If one is so inclined, the RFK thing can be chalked up to her misspeaking. Whether you want to be that charitable to her or not and give her the benefit of the doubt, at least the possibility exists that she didn't mean to say what she said.
But her distortions on things like Obama's electability, her "only big states matter" b.s., her "small states don't matter" b.s., her "the only swing states are the ones I won primaries in" b.s., her "I'm winning the popular vote" b.s., her "I was for punishing Florida and Michigan and signed a letter to that effect, but now changed my mind because it's politically expedient" b.s., and her "Obama can't win states in the fall in which lost the primary" b.s. Her rank and willful dishonesty drives me up the wall, because while it may show that Clinton will do and say anything to win, it also shows that she'll use Karl Rove tactics to make it happen.
While everyone was rightfully focused on her assassination analogy, she was also lying about 1992.
What she said:
My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?
Reality:
The 1992 primaries ended on June 2, 1992, a day earlier than this year. Several states, including California, had primaries that day. It was not mid-June.
According to wikipedia: "Clinton effectively won the Democratic Party's nomination after winning the New York Primary in early April."
Clinton's chief rival was Paul Tsongas who dropped out of the race in mid-May, 1992.
According to polls, Clinton led in every remaining state except California where Jerry Brown was polling well (his home state). Brown was not going to catch Clinton for the nomination in any scenario.
From the May 11, 1992 New York Times: "Aides to Mr. Clinton say that in most of the remaining primaries he will ignore the former Governor of California, Edmund G. Brown Jr., and will try to give voters a clearer sense of his own personality and his positions on major issues, in preparation for a general election campaign against President Bush."
Add one more bullet item to this list -- in 1992, the first caucus, Iowa, took place February 10th, more than one month later than this year's January 3rd caucuses. Five weeks, in fact.If Clinton wants to argue that she wants all the votes to be counted, that is a defensible position, but she's not really interested in waiting for the votes to be counted. She's hoping that she can scare or blackmail delegates into overruling the will of the electorate in all 50 states, DC, and the territories. Since the math has proved for months that she had already lost, arguing for all the contests to take place wouldn't make sense. So, like she has done for most of the campaign, she has to create an alternate reality to fit her spin.
Hillary isn't stupid. She knows all this. But it doesn't matter. I don't know about you guys, but after eight years of Bush rule, I'm sick and tired of politically expedient alternate realities."
- ********0
Oh man Olbermann is getting me hyped up about this!
- if i was gay i would want to bang this dude********
- WTF popped at 1:40? Gave Keith a startlocustsloth
- I think I know what you mean about the gay thing, Olberman rocks. Olberman&Matthews as Obama's VP!mikotondria3
- oberman is a terd********
- if i was gay i would want to bang this dude
- Drno0
can't we all agree for once that she's a cunt,
I'm sick of this thread, I'm sick of billary grabbing the dems by the balls, I'm sick of this bullshit,
- dbloc0
- this is pretty funnyemukid
- and a pretty good actress, too.invisiblechamber
- ukit0
- A tad creepy...TheBlueOne
- HAAAA!!!!
piktur makeh meh LOLZ
LITTERally.kieguy - ha********
- flashbender0
tomorrow will be interesting.
She's getting votes tomorrow, Puerto Rico is winner take all and she will most likely win that and they will probably split the remaining primaries.
it will be very close. I am still not convinced that she is out of it yet.
Politics sucks ass.
- dedlaast300
the best site on the net when it comes to politics in general (imo):
http://www.factcheck.org/askfact…
the sad part is that they ALL spin just about everything. the candidates, or more likely their 'handlers', take the smallest piece of fact (and sometimes none at all) and paint it with a broad brush and pass it off as truth.
I had vain hopes that once Factcheck.org came online they'd see they were under the microscope, but in fact the lies and smokescreens have become worse. which baffles me to no end. As someone in this thread or the Obama one said, you have to see which one lies the least.
Oh well, on with the show!
- dog_opus0
It's politics in the free world. This is as good as it gets. We get to hire and fire them and they get to enjoy delusions of grandeur. Convincing oneself that one side is the answer is a comforting illusion, I guess.
- mg330
That's one of the most psychotic thing I've ever seen. I really don't get where some women are coming from by being angry like this.
Obama is winning! That's it! How is it that however they have chosen to count Michigan and Florida has anything to do with women? I really don't get it.
- it has to do with---you can have BET, hispanic TV but you cant have white TV or they call you a********
- epete you have race issues.mrdobolina
- white tv is every other channel.mrdobolina
- it has to do with---you can have BET, hispanic TV but you cant have white TV or they call you a
- locustsloth0
"The Democrats are throwing the election away!!!"
vs
"And they think we won't turn and vote for McCain!!"Me thinks granny has some multiple personality issues. Oh, and real second class citizens generally don't have that much old lady bling. Bet she got in her Benz and drove away in a huff.
- That's been the Clinton supporters stance for at least a month now. Crazy.TheBlueOne
- mg330
Just watched Meet the Press. Wow, that guy Harold Ickes is a creepy, smarmy, disgusting person.
Tim Russert asked flat out: IF Obama secures the nomination on Wednesday after the final primaries are finished, will Senator Clinton congratulate him on the nomination?
Ickes: "Hillary Clinton will be the nominee."
Russert: "That's not an answer to my question."
Ickes: "The question is irrelevant, Hillary will be the nominee."
It was something like that. What a fool. Russert just kind of looked at him like "damn, you're delusional."
- he is an abomination********
- He's either delusional or had just handed someone a paper bag full of untracible moneylocustsloth
- he is an abomination
- TheBlueOne0
Seriously, WTF CNN?
"Is Puerto Rico a Game Changer?"
What kind f irresponsible journalism is this shit. This is over. done. And by the way, PUERTO RICO DOESN'T VOTE IN THE FUCKING GENERAL ELECTION ASSHATS. There is no game changing here...
- they may not vote in the general, but they count in the primaries... which makes no sense at all.flashbender
- chompchomp0
Hillary is now holding a tshirt design contest in her name to keep up with Obama. Check this out: http://injoydesign.com/2008/06/h…
- I'd say I just threw up in my mouth a little, but my head exploded first.TheBlueOne
- How about "Them Puerto Ricans Hate The Black Guy"TheBlueOne
- locustsloth0
This basically says it all (from the NY Times, Sept 1, 2007)
She gives her word not to run, runs anyway (unopposed) and then bitches because she's not getting all the votes that she won "fair and square". How can anyone want this liar as our leader?
- You could just link to the article:
http://www.nytimes.c…TheBlueOne - not nearly as dramaticlocustsloth
- You could just link to the article:
- ukit0
Looks like Obama will declare victory and kickoff the general election Tuesday at the GOP convention site no less. Bye bye Hillary!
http://www.politico.com/blogs/be…
Senior political officials tell Politico's Mike Allen that Barack Obama is likely to hold a huge rally Tuesday night in the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, the site of the Republican National Convention from Sept. 1-4.
Tuesday is the night of the final Democratic primaries, and the choice of venue is a mischievous, aggressive way for Obama to unofficially kick off the general election campaign against John McCain. The location gives huge meaning to the moment, with Obama likely to frame a tough case against his new opponent in the very hall where McCain will accept his party’s nomination.
- that is a nice "Fuck you" to the GOP. I applaud thatflashbender
- ukit0
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20…
Hillary Clinton has summoned top donors and backers to attend her New York speech tomorrow night in an unusual move that is being widely interpreted to mean she plans to suspend her campaign and endorse Barack Obama.
Obama and Clinton spoke Sunday night and agreed that their staffs should begin negotiations over post-primary activities, according to reliable sources. In addition to seeking Obama's help in raising money to pay off some $20 million-plus in debts, Clinton is known to want Obama to assist black officials who endorsed her and who are now taking constituent heat, including, in some cases, primary challenges from pro-Obama politicians.
"This has never happened before," one donor said, referring to the personalized request by email to attend the event in New York Tuesday night.
Obama is expected to claim enough delegates to put him over the top that night at a separate event in Minneapolis.
Earlier in the day it was reported that Clinton staffers were being urged by the campaign's finance department "to turn in their outstanding expense receipts by the end of the week," another sign that the run at the White House was nearing an end. In addition, Politico wrote that members of Clinton's advance staff had received calls and emails Sunday night, summoning them to New York City and telling them their roles on the campaign are ending.
- Congratulations Rand. Your efforts appear to have paid off.ukit
- TheBlueOne0
Rand 1, Clinton 0*
*but she's only suspending the fight, not conceding.