Religious Voters
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- gramme0
Thankfully not all Christians try to reinterpret the Bible to accomodate their sins.
- TheBlueOne0
Ha. Christian nation..which christians exactly? See as I was just reading in the book above (Founding Brothers) it was a mere three years into the history of America that the Quakers stood up in Congress and demanded an end to slavery because it was most un-christian. The quakers were called religious nuts, and branded as unpatrrirotic since they refused to take up arms against the british. Then a whole bunch of Presbyterian Southerners used biblical references to justify slavery as a god-ordained institution and then Ben Franklin addressed a letter to the slave holding states saying they were using the same justifications that the muslims used to enslave christians in the Holy Land.
Two centuries later and it's practically ther exact same shit.
- Oh yeah, and then everyone decided to ignore the issue for another 70 years until it erupted into a bloody civil war...TheBlueOne
- Good old Jefferson Davis. found plenty of Bible citations that support slavery.Mimio
- mrdobolina0
- let's celebrate xmas for the right reasons. ie- spend moneys on travel and mallsBonSeff
- Mimio0
Check out Christopher Hitchens' commentary of Thomas Paine's "The Rights of Man." Really interesting.
- Llyod0
I believe in God but I don't believe those who quote him.
- Corollary; I have no problem with God, it's what people do with him that bugs me.TheBlueOne
- I would agree with you, TheBlueOne, though we might disagree on how to define the wrong ways of using God's word.gramme
- ...word.gramme
- TheBlueOne0
Sorry, not going to read this whole thread, just want to point out I just finished reading this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Founding-B…
Great book, and all the shit we're arguing about now wasn't resolved back then either, and was argued and politicked with just as much venom and muckraking as now. Kona & Dobs - two great americans!
- BattleAxe0
Last I checked at least Iran is a Republic at least ... yet the Saudi Monarch is just as tough on women, and we reward them with lots of new weapons and what not ... you cant pick and choose ,
but hey live and let live, I mean there is a huge outcry in the country (u.s) against Bush , there are lots of things that repress people here too, should we let Russia or China invade us to help us out ?
- harlequino0
Holy shit, so it was Huckabee who made that call to Jimmy Dean Sausage!
- kahn0
I agree Mimio. Those countries do belong in this discussion. Those countries should in-fact BE the discussion.
- kahn0
Isn't there more to worry about than religious voters in America, gays and abortions? How about that there are nuts running countries that will literally behead a woman for speaking? How about leaders who think the Holocaust never existed? Just because you don't live in any of those countries I just mentioned doesn't mean you can't help and spend your real energy on Darfur or Iran. Your energy is misplaced.
- Do you think that is why the US would bomb Iran? To save innocent women?mrdobolina
- That was a terrible question that has nothing to do with what I just said.kahn
- Those counties are Theocracies. So they're included in this discussion in some respect.Mimio
- I thought the topic was religious voters. You changed the subject all willy nilly.mrdobolina
- Those countries are all about "Religious voters" so no. Sorry. I didn't change the subject.kahn
- what is your beef exactly?mrdobolina
- That you're closed-minded. Remember?kahn
- open your mind to the fundies dobs, im sure they'll return the favorBonSeff
- please elaborate.mrdobolina
- mrdobolina0
seriously Kahn, please elaborate on how I am closed-minded.
- Seriously?kahn
- I'm super serial.mrdobolina
- Can I see a pic of your polish gilfriend too, while you are at it?mrdobolina
- Huh? Now your making prejudiced statements about the Polish? You need some help.kahn
- oh dear.mrdobolina
- what was prejudiced, Jazx?mrdobolina
- mrdobolina0
Pleased to meet you.
- kahn0
The only thing I have learned in this topic is that this guy mrdobolina is one closed minded individual.
- Hi KonaMimio
- KAAAAHHHHHN!!!!PonyBoy
- please elaboratemrdobolina
- Mimio0
//It's all a big nothing... vote for the guy who's tougher on Iran!
- BonSeff0
im voting for the holiest honky PERIOD
- flagellum?mrdobolina
- flagellum/gramme 08
where's mah bumpastickaBonSeff - I want on that ticket... can i be Secretary of Interns?PonyBoy
- I don't want my name on that sticker unless I can design the campaign logo. Stay away from my type steeze, flagellum.gramme
- Times New Roman accented w/Arial, please.PonyBoy
- a lil' slice of Comic Sans for our funny director of interns.gramme
- hahaha!! thanks, gramme!PonyBoy
- pango0
i think i'm gonna get in trouble for posting this.
lighten up! its a comedy. and the guy is dead lol
- teleos0
" I for example am very much for legislation that protects the environment, because I have a holistic pro-life stance that goes beyond the abortion issue."
Amen to that!
- how is this pro-life? I mean I agree with the premise but equating it to abortion is kinda bullshit, no?mrdobolina
- I am in favor of the respect for ALL life: human and non-human, animate and inanimate. How is that bullshit?gramme
- What about your stance on the death penalty?mrdobolina
- Death penalty is a bit of a gray issue for me. The short argument for: human life is sacred. Capital crime gets capital punishment.gramme
- ...capital punishment. The argument against: our justice system is fallible, and sometimes innocent people are killed.gramme
- ...killed. I see both sides.gramme
- but all life is precious, I thought?mrdobolina
- Yes. Again, I can see arguments for both and am not prepared to make declarative statements either way. Since the Bible isn't dogmatic about this issue per se, neither am I.gramme
- ...the Bible isn't dogmatic about this issue per se, neither am I.gramme
- I value free thought.mrdobolina
- I value freedom through Christ. Without it I'm a slave to the world.gramme
- gramme0
Every voter is a religious voter. Most people just aren't aware that they worship and place faith in something. I've never met a human being who is capable of NOT worshipping. Whatever matters most to you, whatever you can't do without...that is your god(s).
Many Americans will vote for the candidate with the strongest economic reform plan. This is certainly a worthy cause and a good thing to vote for, but the fact that many voters care more about the economy than any other agenda confirms what many have said is the strongest American vice: the Almighty Dollar.
Abortion and gay rights are not the only moral issues. It's all moral. I for example am very much for legislation that protects the environment, because I have a holistic pro-life stance that goes beyond the abortion issue.
I don't think some things will change in my lifetime, but that sure as hell won't stop me from voting based on principle.
- I disagree. This is more philosophical than realistic.mrdobolina
- then we must agree to disagree once more. I see this played out in very real life, every day.gramme
- I'd like to see you survive without money...mrdobolina
- I'm not suggesting that, clean out your ears. We all have to earn a dollar. I am remarking about the worship of money, possibly the most common vice in this country.gramme
- ...possibly the most common vice in this country.gramme
- talking about priorities. That's all. Not saying we should live without cash.gramme
- cleans out ears.mrdobolina
- pango0
has anybody watched a documentary "Jesus Camp"
it shows a lot of really fucked up stuff in the States. In religious and political point of view. not saying religious and politics can't mix. Just saying whats was shown is really wrong.