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- Witt0
Welsh is one language that gives Dutch a run for its tongue-twisting money. The "ll" sound is a real bear. From what I can tell, it sounds like a soggy "htl" coming around the corner of one's tongue.
So "Llewellyn" would be pronounced in phonetic English something like "HTLOO-weh-htlun"... "y" often sounding like a short "u" as in "run".
Sometimes I think people try to make their native language virtually unpronounceable to the outsider.
gramme
(Aug 23 07, 13:28)Ahah. i love this, man!
I'm a bit of a linguistics nerd, you know, and I'm a lazy one too, to tell the truth. but I think I can honestly ease up this dispute. For a better tomorrow.
It's a bit nonsense (no offense pls) saying that the welsh is harder than dutch in its "tongue-twists" showing the welsh "ll" against the dutch "ghl"
that would be like having the asturian "chxixón" for the spanish "Gijón"
thing is that welsh, like asturian it's not harder: it's older.
Welsh, such as Basque and the old languages of iberia like Asturian, Leonese, Gaelecian-Portuguese are the oldest living languages in Europe.
Of these of course, Basque is the oldest language of all, still untouched by other languages. This is the main aspect that Basques defend in their fight against the castillian. I think it's an honest fight with the wrong methods, but i'm no one to judge.
As Asturian-Leonese and Gaelecian-Portuguese suffered modification from Latin, the Basque language maintained its own specificity - probably because it was a remote region - or because they were already claiming what they claim now.
Anyway, the "ll" the "ghl", the "gn", the "lh", the "ñ" or "nh" are western (celtic) phonems. that's why most historians (above the the sound of the crowd) claim that Iberia and the British Isles were home to native tribes that endured roman and danish occupation.
- grumpymonkey0
The deedub account is mine mg33, do you know if ffffound caches the images on html sites, or does it just link your images to the fffound site? Is it using your bandwidth, is my question.
You only get 3 invites for ffffound and I've used mine kids, sorry.
- Witt0
I didn't explain it correctly.
Thing is the "twist-of-tongue" is the defining characteristic for western european languages. They are the only ones that do so in all the languages that derive from the original arian tongue.
What happened was that the learned adaptive-constructive character of roman and german (arian languages) that had breed in Italy, the eastern Europe realms and the East, was perfect to incorporate the stritc language form of the west. Negotiation languagues from the east met the moralist (celtic) language from the west.
So the conclusion is that the "xl", "ll", "nh", "ghl" is a specific characteristic where german and latin met the institutioned celtic varied languages and the result was simple:
in the north a symbiosis between the double gaelic accent consonant (LL, CC = XLE, XRE) and the germanic noun-driven language prolonging the consonant and deriving an action in time with an "active" vowel (e.g. XLE-(a)(e)(u):NG)
Also a social component was involved. The distinction between masculin and feminin did not enter the language - which makes people believe it was unexistant - such as today.
and in the south a substantive (masculine, feminine - term) driven construction where the phrase derives from the thing that is invoked according to genre:
XLE-ANHO
XLE-ANHAwhere masculine/feminine distinctions rule most of the particulars of language.
This excepting Basque, which is far beyond my reach.
- Witt0
anyway, noone cares about this shit anymore - just as long as it makes "good weather".
so i gave up on my ling studies. doesn't get you anywhere in a politically correct society. you just build enemies.
so coolthxbye.
* builds mountain house.
- Witt0
btw, it's Cymru - Wales is from the old english "welschan" that means a "pack of dogs". not that it matters now - but it does show how the Engles regarded that people back then. A bunch of wolves. it's funny looking at where words come from.
- Witt0
Studio A: Tiny W3C logos.
- Witt0
hei vuurtoren bewaarder... zetje!
- Witt0
u zou niet de huid voor u moeten verkopen spruit de beer.
- Witt0
Hoe, wat ik weet? Maar Nederlandse Babelfish het weten is koel als shit.
ahahah.
better than Google Trans-!
- Witt0
geen pret in alleen het spelen.
post acht :/ u moet denken ik een dwaas ben...
:P
- BonSeff0
feel free to swallow a ritalin or 5
- bolus0
je moet de huid niet verkopen voordat de beer geschoten is.
you shouldn't sell the skin before the bear is shot
- bolus0
lighthouse keeper, being ginger, i was sometimes called that
- bolus0
until someone gives me an invite, i'll use this thread to bookmark images :)
- elms0
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- bolus0
pmub
- Crouwel0
better link for the Flickrians amongst us
- elms0
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- elms0
i would like to bookmark about 3/4 of those images