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- ozhanlion
Hey Guys,
So I just interviewed with this company. IT looks like they want to hire me for a certain project and want me to work on the design and later development of the whole site in flash (As3). I am going to be working in their office fulltime and project's duration is 2 months.
My question is, how much would you charge as your hourly rate?
I was thinking between $40-50 but I am not sure. They are a medium size(10-11ppl) creative design agency which is not constrained to web, but also doing some packaging print etc.
How would you negotiate your freelance gigs?thanks.
- material-10
waaay too low holmes, how about twice that, unless you
- doesnotexist0
i would double your rate
- ozhanlion0
damn, are you guys speaking for real?
ok I just sent them an email saying that my hourl rate is $45-50 but I don't really care about the rate as long as I am getting $6000-7000 for a month. what do you think of this? supposedly this is going to be freelancing in the office like fulltime.
- material-10
$75 minimum especially as3 thats a rare skill unless you consider it a learning opportunity.
- MrD0
at min, AS3 gets paid 100
you can call up to 150 if you like.
- j_red0
sounds like you'll be doing all the work, and they'll be making $80k off the project. charge a lot - if you think you'll do a great job then charge the amount that would make you want to get up early each morning and kick some ass on the project.
- j_red0
FYI the lowest i've charged in 2007 is $800/day which is $100/hour.
- Llyod0
charge them per line coded
- akoni0
charge them per line coded
Llyod
(Jul 10 07, 19:34)and make sure you put tons of comments in your code =)
- ozhanlion0
heh. you guys are funny. let's see what they are going to say tomorrow. I'll let you know.
here's some as3.0 eyecandy from me while I was porting some java code in as3. collision detection and some basics physics.
- MrD0
ozhanlion
can i hire you?
- mrbee28280
Yeah for real... I'll hire you for more than that if you truly know your shit. If you are tossing AS3 or even AS2 in a quality manner you shouldn't do anything under $75hr.
If you are freelancing full time and that's your sole gig then you will have to pay self employment tax here in the states. Example... you make $100k this year solo. That25% tax bracket + 15% self employment tax. You just gave uncle same 40% and only took home $50k.
- material-10
quit now and reapply at a higher rate, maybe wear a fake mustache
- tkmeister0
i don't know if smaller agencies are willing to pay the high price tag but with a good as3 skill set, you can make about 200k a year in nyc.
man, sometimes, i wish i was a flash programmer. fuck being an art director.
- mikotondria20
that's some sweet AS3 portage there, sir - fair play..
Seeing it does still further my unending nag of what to specialize in and to what extent - there's only so much time you can spend learning one aspect of the biz to any depth, and I think one much underrated and unexamined skill of being a freelancer is balancing your reparte and skillsets such that it takes you in the direction that interests you long-term, whilst having enough other current skills to ensure you're not short of work..
I'm pretty competent in php/sql-ness, as2.0, after effects/cinema4d, which can be very useful when you get a project that calls on maybe 3 of those.. Obviously would love to develop my as2 to 3 for artistic works and bread and butter coding - what sort of timescale would I be looking at to become properly competent in as3.0 in your opinion ? 2mths, 6 ?
- joyride0
good stuff, IMO we're still a year off from clients letting flash player 9 be the minimum. Still in the low 80's for player penetration, but you've got a leg up on most people with AS3.
If you've already accepted, just knock this project out, look for higher paying gigs, then if they want to use you again, tell them your rates went up. Simple, if you know the shit and they like you, they will pay
- material-10
email then again and say you forgot to put a 1 in front of those figures
IE: $145-150
- madirish0
email then again and say you forgot to put a 1 in front of those figures
IE: $145-150
material
(Jul 11 07, 06:27)that is actually not an out-of-line, or bad idea at all.
if you are 40-50 an hour, i got about 8 months worth of work for you to do.....
- material-10
no doubt matt
- k0na_an0k0
do what you love and the money will follow ozhanlion. 50 an hour = 104k per year at fulltime.
not bad.
plus they don't take out 401k, med or dental so your checks will be a bit larger than if you were fulltime.
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my freelance advice.
the place i'm freelancing at has me doing 88x33/110x33 banners today. no lie. friday is supposed to be my last day but god almighty i can think of 100 things i'd rather do around my house than do banners.
i'm out tomorrow with an interview and i just got a call for a second interview for a design director position. the pay is unreal. it would be an hour drive (if i'm lucky) but again, the pay is unreal and they are really interested. this interview could be on friday, which would get me out of this place today.
should i just end it here? fuck me... i mean if they can't pick up the slack on 88x33 banners then i just don't know wtf to do. i don't want to burn a bridge but these interviews tomorrow and friday will be plans B and C just in case my fulltime gig starting monday doesn't pan out.
wwyd? (what would yoda do)
er... what would you do?