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- dirtydesign0
I saw it opening night. Michael Moore actually showed up and gave a speech. Good flic, but his movies are 1 sided.
They don't tell u that Canada passed a bill in 1995 allowing private healthcare, due to overcrowded hospitals. Theres a lot more to the story than Moore portrays.
- mrdobolina0
v5, not everyone can afford that advantage, that is the problem.
- mrdobolina0
of course it is 1-sided.
Sometimes 1-side is correct though, ya know?
- version30
dobs, you must have missed mine then.
i can't respect people so into their own misery that can't afford anything. i mean NOTHING? c'mon. it's that hard for some, that they can't get ANYTHING together for themselves? if so, what good is my keeping them in good health? so they're alive, what then? still worthless to society. My statement refers to the people that may be poor, but still find the funds to buy overpriced junk.
oh and if you're this broke and having kids, you can still fuck off. can't take care of yourself? you shouldn't have kids. point blank.
i see a lot of handouts wanted and maybe a few falling through the cracks but a little responsibility would go a long way
fyi, i haven't seen the flick yet, not in my area, so i'm not all biased from the movie screen
- MrD0
he aint no AL Gore
- -sputnik-0
yeah dirty...i was reading about this all weekend and although what he portrays is 95% true, there is a lot he is omitting.
what i do think it'll do is open up a dialogue about this problematic system. the others he talks about aren't perfect either but there's a lot we can learn from there and something needs to be done
- M0NEYCIDE0
they passed a bill for private health care for the money. the biggest factor contributing to any over crowding or waiting times is lack of funding from the cheap skate government and even these arn't a serious issue as two teir advocates would make you beleive. way more people die or get worse from simply not being able to afford it in the usa than any waiting list would cause in canada.
- mrdobolina0
The health care industry always says that socialized medecine would take the patient's choice out of the equation.
There are 50 million people in this country that have no health care coverage, many of them little kids.
What health care options do they have?
- -sputnik-0
not only that, but you can have basic universal health care as well as give people the choice to upgrade or go elsewhere if they choose to or can afford to. people think that universal care and individual choices are mutually exclusive, which they're not
- mrdobolina0
I agree with lots you are saying, but you seem to be hungup on the abusers of the system.
not everyone is as capable as you, realize that. People have health problems and I do not think that judging them before treating them is really helping anyone out.
I am all about personal responsibility. I take care of lots of things that I shouldn't have to, also. But not everyone, at every stage of their life can do that.
i see no reason to be selfish and have a survival of the fittest attitude about something as simple as health care. I tgoes on in many other nations and they are still capitalists.
- material-10
saw it. Very sad indeed.
fuck a nixon and a clinton
- mrdobolina0
Exactly. when they changed the bankruptcy laws a while back, blew my mind also.
Fact is, majority of the people that declared bankruptcy did it because of a medical tragedy.
This country is feeding on itself.
- mrdobolina0
Those recordings of Nixon were insane.
- mg330
Just saw it tonight. Very eye opening. Made me want to move to France too. My GF and I had the same reaction.
It really makes you consider things in the US. This next election is so important. I still doubt things will ever change.
I know the movie might be just a bit one-sided in spots, but what you get a clear cut picture of is this:
Compassion Vs. Greed
There are good doctors in the US for sure, but how many have the same mentality as doctors making less money in other countries who are doctors and do all they can to help people because it's the moral thing to do for society?
- BonSeff0
good luck pushing out an hmo in our capitolist economy.
- material-10
and those medical directors? evil fuckwits.
and to think we could have universal care for only 20 bil a year
- OSFA0
It is true. Unfortunately, Insurance companies have killed what was left of morality and compassion. Yes, there are few doctors who are still in the field to help people. FEW.
Most of them now only worry about getting their office visit copays paid and covering their asses.
Unfortunately I am going through a very dificult time thanks to a "Dr"'s negligence and lack of care and professionalism towards a close relative and there is nothing one can do. All you get is I'm sorry, but 'sorry' won't save lifes.
Unfortunately (yes, this will be the third time I use this word) I don't think things will ever change...
- OSFA0
damn I can't type for shite when it's late...
- BonSeff0
your guyses arguement brings up the topic of retirement and healthcare to me. because i can see both of your arguements and they are both relevent at the retirement age.
a retired person is too old to compete in the job market, and also have worked and payed their dues to the system. what then?
i mean we all pay medicaid/medicare. it was signed into a bill back in 65. i never hear about any mathematicians speaking about feasibility. what percentage of the funds generated will actually go to work?
we are left in the dark about just about every dollar we are taxed on. and we could care less about it.
i hate it.
- -sputnik-0
the bankruptcy thing used to be true until about 5-7 years ago. now the ratio of people filing who actually had a medical issue or other tragedy is much lower compared to those who got into trouble by being financially irresponsible