immigration deal
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- PonyBoy
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2…
'bout freakin' time something was agreed upon...
... 'fair' too imho. No one has to go home... but they do have to show that they did 'break the law' by paying a fine and jumping in the guest book (so they can pay taxes and contribute/take responsibility for themselves 'legally')...
- mrdobolina0
this is going to take further analysis.
- ********0
it is still to be approved and reviewed, great initiative.
- OSFA0
you know what's funny tho, I read that many of these workers do pay taxes, they have to pay with a number they are given (ITIN).
The weird thing is that they don't have any benefits like social security or retirement because they don't have a ss#. Kinda convenient if that is the case, don't you think? they pay taxes but they never get shit back...
- k0na_an0k0
shit.
does this mean i will no longer be able to tell he police 'i uh... *urp* bought the beer from three mexicans in a red pickup truck occifer... i mean officer'
- akrok0
yeah..."pay a $5,000 fine — ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take between eight and 13 years"
and after spending does 5.000 the person has to have money for a vacation to go home. ha.
look..."Heads of household would have to return to their home countries first"
- ********0
yeah, it has a lot of loose ends. I don't know why it's so difficult to "legallize" all those people who are already living there. Oh wait, they are taking citizen's jobs....the jobs nobody wants to do.
- OSFA0
http://www.irs.gov/individuals/a…
Seems to me like the government owes a lot of money in tax refunds that will never be paid...
- mrdobolina0
the jobs nobody wants to do.
Daro
(May 17 07, 13:43)that's bullshit right there.
the reality is they are willing to work for peanuts.
The employers want slave-labor and this is the closest thing they have to it. They do not want to pay a living wage to people for this type of labor.
- ********0
the reality is they are willing to work for peanuts.
The employers want slave-labor and this is the closest thing they have to it. They do not want to pay a living wage to people for this type of labor.
mrdobolina
(May 17 07, 13:48)You have a point, althought I think its a vicious cycle, it's not that they are willing to work for peanuts as you say, it's the fact that they don't have a choice. Employers know this and take advantage of it. For inmigrants sometimes it comes down to two choices starve to death or work "for peanuts". There are a lot of "illegal" inmigrants with bachelor or higher degrees who can't get a decent job becuse of the fact that the are well, "illegal"
- mrdobolina0
I understand that. Seems to me that Mexico should probably take a bit of responsibility for all of this too.
BUT
If you know me, I love blaming most of society's ills on rich white men. :D
- lemmys_wart0
" The plan would create a temporary worker program to bring new arrivals to the U.S. A separate program would cover agricultural workers. New high-tech enforcement measures also would be instituted to verify that workers are here legally. "
So...
Individuals from all nations will have an equal chance to immigrate?
My problem being Mexican nationals believing they have a greater right to america...
We already got to many crackers... We dont seem to need any more beaners...
I just dont want any flavor dominating my gumbo, is that so wrong?
- akrok0
I understand that. Seems to me that Mexico should probably take a bit of responsibility for all of this too.
you should blame spain instead.
- lemmys_wart0
the jobs nobody wants to do.
Daro
(May 17 07, 13:43)" that's bullshit right there.
the reality is they are willing to work for peanuts. "
SOME migrant farm workers work for peanuts...
MOST messicans vault thier asses into the middle class with the quickness...
Mexico could use some hard working cats like that...
- akrok0
My problem being Mexican nationals believing they have a greater right to america...
you refer them as mexican, they are probably from LATIN AMERICA.
just cause the boarder is mex, dont mean who cross it is.
- mrdobolina0
You should see what mexican immigrants did to the average construction worker's wages too.
Lemmy, you gonna be by at 5:30?
- lemmys_wart0
^ yup
- mrdobolina0
just cause the boarder is mex, dont mean who cross it is.
akrok
(May 17 07, 14:01)You're right, but it really doesn't matter in this discussion. they could be martians for all practical purposes.
- lemmys_wart0
You should see what mexican immigrants did to the average construction worker's wages too.
Lemmy, you gonna be by at 5:30?
mrdobolina
(May 17 07, 14:01)man, economics are so complicated...
nations with lots of cheap labor seem to be kicking ass (china) those that dont (europe, japan) not so much...
...imagine how many businees women can keep a high paying job 'cause they got a cheap maid to help with the house and kids.
...shits just complicated.
- Jaline0
I understand that. Seems to me that Mexico should probably take a bit of responsibility for all of this too.
BUT
If you know me, I love blaming most of society's ills on rich white men. :D
mrdobolina
(May 17 07, 13:55)heh :)
- PonyBoy0
I understand that. Seems to me that Mexico should probably take a bit of responsibility for all of this too.
BUT
If you know me, I love blaming most of society's ills on rich white men. :D
mrdobolina
(May 17 07, 13:55)
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Hey! That's neat!! Now... ya wanna see a baby elephant?!*pulls pockets of pants inside out so they're hanging out... unzips pants...