quality vs quantity
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- kerus
i ask this coming from a place that went from being a great/fun 8 person studio-ish environment to a 30ish person clusterfuck that people are referring to as a "sweatshop"
is there any room at all for perfection any more?
are things becoming more of a hustle quick quick snap snap pump-things-out kind of deal?
do you find that clients are willing to give a few extra hours to ensure
that a project is taken that extra step or two to really make it shine?im hoping its just a result of being where i am too long, but it seems like "design" has lost its soul :(
- Mimio0
The exact same thing happened to me after I graduated. The only options are to take more authority and change the culture or just leave.
- surfito0
you get the extra hours out of your sleep hours.
- chossy0
I work as an editor and this is the case for every edit I do, I am never one hundred percent happy with any edit I do cause people just don't give you enough time.
- kerus0
im guessing ive just been living in this cave a little too long.
- nocomply0
its probably just where you're at. sweatshops are easy to find and get hired at. actual good places to work seem to be quite elusive. take your time and find a new place that fits you better.
- k0na_an0k0
kerus you sound like you work at the place I left back in June. haha.
I went through the exact same situation and only lasted a few months at the 'sweatshop'. It was stressful as hell and I hated it. You weren't asked... you were EXPECTED to work late every night and the timelines given were at times laughable. The place was so friggin high strung the boss would literally run back to give us more shit work. When us designers would hear him coming you could hear us all go 'oh fuck' as a collective, then be thankful if he ran past one of us to give shit to another. The place was a nightmare.
Get out while you can cause trust me, you're going to get burned the fuck out real quick.
- kerus0
yeah the irony here is we have a great looking place.. and our new building is absolutely amazing and will be in architecture magazines for a long time.
but the attitude, pace, and bullshit politics here make it miserable. theres NO time for creativity or passion. its not art, its labor.
oh well. thanks for the replies
its good to know there's a light at the end of a tunnel out there somewhere
- jox0
Time is money, chop-chop!
- kerus0
KONA: i think we were coworkers man haha
- mrseaves0
this sounds like my job...
i've been here for 5 years and think when I'm on interviews when people say "we have tight deadlines" they have no idea what a tight deadline is...get a new job. I'm trying.
- k0na_an0k0
KONA: i think we were coworkers man haha
kerus
(Feb 13 07, 09:32)haha. You wouldn't by chance work at Elite in Northbrook do you?
:)
- kerus0
ill wait until im actually gone to name names i think, but no im in new england :)
- k0na_an0k0
Ah. You know how they say everyone has a twin someplace in the world... maybe you work at the twin of the place I used to work at.
If the place you work at has a giant cancerous growth on the side of their head (the Art Director) then it's true. RUN!
- blastofv0
I see three culprits:
1) the dot bomb threw us all for a loop, and shops started doing anything and everything to keep clients happy (and on the payroll)
2) the age of the PDF – clients know they can see their revisions etc. back within a half hour, so they expect that PDF to come back through by end of day. go back a few years and we weren't all fielding these bullshit minor requests and turning them around pronto to please picky clients
3) plain old bad management leads to the insanity. if your account people bend over and say yes all day, the creative department will get shafted every time. the work gets done, but the final piece suffers.
- blastofv0
I work at a design factory myself, if you couldn't tell.
- CP120
There seems to be a trend of overwork, stress and bitterness in design these days. Its very sad.
- tkmeister0
i can't tell quality or quantity. they sound almost the same and read the same...
i work so i can have things i enjoy outside of work, such as my fancy porsche, hot girlfriends, expensive dinners and great vacations. quality? yes, outside of my work.
i wish...
- kerus0
seems like this isnt the only place where the AEs dont even bother to ask creatives if a project is possible, they just say YES SIR no matter what.
killin me i tell ya. i can understand working quickly, but wtf let me take an ounce of pride in something for a change
- Mimio0
lol. See the %BS thread.