Flags of Our Fathers
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- k0na_an0k0
haha
- Jaline0
No, I've seen that kona. I'm talking about how kids in school are just now beginning to be taught more about the people who lose (in) wars just as much as the people who won are talked and taught about.
- ********0
Haha yea, I was going to more blatant about it but figured someone would get it.
Especially when I typed "girlfriend" I assumed everyone knew I was joking.
- k0na_an0k0
haha flavor.
that was jerry right? for a minute i thought it was george but i wasn't sure.
i'm remembering now though.
- ********0
Haha yea, it was Jerry (me?!). He hadn't seen his girlfriend in awhile because his parent's were staying with him and Newman caught him in the theatre, haha.
- ********0
Back to the topic however ...
Elementary History Education is so biased as it is (in America at least), that I don't see how learning about the "losers" (so to speak) of history would be beneficial.
Did any of you ever get thru your entire Social Studies/ History books in any grade you were ever in?
I mean basically it was English History, followed by the Revolution and the Civil War seemingly every year.
- Jaline0
Well, the history is different in Canada obviously. At least in our school, we focused on North America but talked about many other events and countries too throughout each year. I was lucky enough to have some great teachers and profs who focused on all sides of the story...
- ********0
America as a whole kind of pisses me off, because the same person who doesn't know the capital of South Dakota knows the name of and birth dates of all of Britney Spears' kids and Angelina Jolie's.
I was luckily blessed with a mother who spurred me on to learn more outside of school than in it.
Honestly, in all my years of education I only liked/admired two teachers.
My 5th grade History teacher, and one of my English teachers in high school who had me three years, because he was the only English teacher who would let me in his class, haha.
Which was kind of nerdy being a Sophomore in Senior classes, I still talk with him actually.
- ********0
Alas, I got to stop posting ... I need to find some topics.
My grand numbers scheme almost got blown out of the water with all the back and forth this morning, haha.
- TheBlueOne0
My uncle who passed away a few years ago fought at Iwo Jima, which is the battle in this flick. He would never talk about it. I remember when I got older and curious about such things I asked him about it post-Thanksgiving dinner. He stared into the distance for a bit, took a swig of his scotch and said "It was hell." That was it and he changed the subject.
- jevad0
fuck off bottlerocket you fucking twat
- GreedoLives0
is that why they made the 'indian' true to the character and made him an alcoholic who hated the fact of being on display?
and 'shaped to fit the political aims of the flimmaker/studio'. i like that.
it works well in these movies.
blood diamond
the queen
all the king's men
hollywoodland
man of the year
conversations with god
al franken: god spoke
jesus camp
the ground truthand lets not forget the epic
an unconvenient truth
farenheit 911so.......... what were you saying again cause out of all of those movies with an agenda i only see you yappin your gums at one from wwII that captures a story not mentioned much before.
k0na_an0k
(Oct 17 06, 09:12)i try to stay out of the political threads cause they're annoying and always always always descend to namecalling. i haven't seen any of those movies and i haven't seen this one either, but i probably will, even. It just seems really obvious to me that since we're 'at war' in iraq, a war which was sold to you through massive propaganda (i doubt even the most conservative people on here could argue with that at this point) , out comes a movie about how propaganda sold you WW2. There was a lot of reticence of going into this war, which is why it took Japan attacking the US to get this thing going. Then you pull out these random guys that erected a flag and make them heroes, parade them around the country. Jessica Lynch anyone?
It's nothing new that movies make political points, and it's nothing new that 'historical' movies make these points, they all usually carry some sort of message we're supposed to take away.
And there's not enough hours in a day for me to complain about everything i'd like to.
- ********0
Nice one Jevad.
- TheBlueOne0
You know, at least during WW2 they made movies about...WW2...
Now, we're still making movies about WW2...
- GreedoLives0
Three Kings, pt. 2?
- jevad0
http://movies2.nytimes.com/2006/…
"f “Flags of Our Fathers” feels so unlike most war movies and sounds so contrary to the usual political rhetoric, it is not because it affirms that war is hell, which it does with unblinking, graphic brutality. It’s because Mr. Eastwood insists, with a moral certitude that is all too rare in our movies, that we extract an unspeakable cost when we ask men to kill other men. There is never any doubt in the film that the country needed to fight this war, that it was necessary; it is the horror at such necessity that defines “Flags of Our Fathers,” not exultation."
- Jaline0
interesting
- jevad0
"Notably, Mr. Eastwood’s next film, “Letters From Iwo Jima,” set to open early next year, revisits the same battle, this time from the point of view of the Japanese."
That, is fucking awesome.
- harlequino0
I concur about the other film. About time.
- Jaline0
"Notably, Mr. Eastwood’s next film, “Letters From Iwo Jima,” set to open early next year, revisits the same battle, this time from the point of view of the Japanese."
That, is fucking awesome.
jevad
(Oct 20 06, 08:57)Haha, looks like our wishes were answered...