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- gramme0
science, but they will always be two different things, regardless of which side of the fence you fall on.
gramme
(Jun 16 06, 08:15)*Two different discplines that will always flirt with eachother, is a clearer way of stating that.
- Mimio0
The big bang isn't philosophy it's a scientific theory based on observed galatic red-shift and emissions from the microwave background that permeates the universe, just like light and radiation does.
- Mimio0
I guess the big thing is scientific theories are up for adjustment or correction when proven wrong, where philosophical or supernatural beliefs aren't really applicable to the same scrutiny, since they cannot be proven or disproven.
- gramme0
The big bang isn't philosophy it's a scientific theory based on observed galatic red-shift and emissions from the microwave background that permeates the universe, just like light and radiation does.
Mimio
(Jun 16 06, 08:17)You keep telling yourself that. It's QUITE a leap from observing galactic red-shift & emissions to positing an explanation of origins. I could come up with a million reasons why the existence of the universe points to a Creator. but at the bottom of it all, on either side of the fence, lies faith and belief, which are the antithesis of science.
- gramme0
I guess the big thing is scientific theories are up for adjustment or correction when proven wrong, where philosophical or supernatural beliefs aren't really applicable to the same scrutiny, since they cannot be proven or disproven.
Mimio
(Jun 16 06, 08:20)Well if science is mutable, then let's stop pretending that the origin of everything has been explained by science and should be regarded as absolute, infallible truth. That's the vibe I'm getting from a lot of people here. Tell me if I'm mistaken on that front.
At the end of the day, I'd rather place my faith in something supernatural, rather than my own weak human understanding.
- Mimio0
The Big Bang theory doesn't make claims about origins. It makes claims about the nature of the observable physical universe. The theory has held up for quite a while, I wouldn't be so quick to throw it out.
- Mimio0
"...Let's stop pretending that the origin of everything has been explained by science and should be regarded as absolute, infallible truth"
I never said or implied that. I just think Darwinian evolution is a better explaination than Creationism.
- johndiggity0
an infinite number of outcomes for an infinite number of events nicely summarizes how life came to be.
- gramme0
The Big Bang theory doesn't make claims about origins. It makes claims about the nature of the observable physical universe. The theory has held up for quite a while, I wouldn't be so quick to throw it out.
Mimio
(Jun 16 06, 08:25)What is that theory, if not an explanation of how the universe as we know it began? Big Bang theory states that the universe began when atoms collided, but the problem is this: where the hell did those atoms come from? Should I be worshipping hydrogen??? Has anyone proven yet that alll known elements can be created from smashing atoms together? No? Then let's stop calling these ideas science.
- Mimio0
Gramme it's called THEORETICAL PHYSICS, it doesn't pretend to be fact. It's just ideas based on the interpretation of evidence and observation.
- gramme0
an infinite number of outcomes for an infinite number of events nicely summarizes how life came to be.
johndiggity
(Jun 16 06, 08:29)Well maybe that works for you, if not for several billion other people in the world. Something had to start it all. Otherwise the laws of physics as we know them cease to be valid.
- Mimio0
Right gramme, on the other side of the singularity that initiated the Big Bang there could easily be another set of physical laws, because all of ours are enveloped in this universe.
- johndiggity0
read about strings, super strings, and branes if you want to learn some interesting shit.
- Jaline0
A lot of creationism comes from the fact that most human beings feel like they need someone/thing to look up to and get guidance from.
I'm not sure what I believe in, but I definitely don't believe that one person/being created everything. It's just as ridiculous as saying that everything happened by the coincidence of molecules coming together.
That being said, the evolutionary theories stick more with me.
I think the most prevalent ideas should be further explored in school, but that students are allowed to choose whatever they want to learn more about, or shouldn't have one thing forced upon them.
- gramme0
Gramme it's called THEORETICAL PHYSICS, it doesn't pretend to be fact. It's just ideas based on the interpretation of evidence and observation.
Mimio
(Jun 16 06, 08:32)That's just another word for philosophy man, or maybe Theology, if one digs deeper into the psyche of Darwin and his successors. We all look for God. Some people just happen to beleive they've found their God in numbers and empirical evidence because they refuse to believe that which they cannot see. It's alright, that's a very common condition, you aren't alone there. We're all born with that mindset, it's natural to doubt.
- Mimio0
Gramme, have you recognized your habit of putting God at the limit of your understanding? You keep plugging him in, you're automatically assuming the prime mover in the universe is God. That's not scientific.
- Mimio0
no gramme, theoretical physics is not philosophy . It's ideas or predictions based on other findings and facts. Ideas/theories intending to predict other NATURAL explanations.
- Jaline0
We all look for God. Some people just happen to beleive they've found their God in numbers and empirical evidence because they refuse to believe that which they cannot see. It's alright, that's a very common condition, you aren't alone there. We're all born with that mindset, it's natural to doubt.
gramme
(Jun 16 06, 08:36)okay, now I completely disagree with you on some points.
"...because they refuse to believe that which they cannot see."
I wonder why so many Christians denounce aliens and supernatural beings then, even though they're practically in the Bible.
- gramme0
That being said, the evolutionary theories stick more with me.
I think the most prevalent ideas should be further explored in school, but that students are allowed to choose whatever they want to learn more about, or shouldn't have one thing forced upon them.
Jaline
(Jun 16 06, 08:35)That's fine if Darwin resonates more with you, however it isn't fair to lump everyone who believes in ID into the idiot camp (I'm not accusing you of this, Jaline). There are very intelligent people on both sides of the argument. You guys might not like people like Discipler's stance or delivery, but the guy does have a respectable brain.
And I TOTALLY agree with you, Jaline, about students being able to choose which path to study.
- gramme0
I wonder why so many Christians denounce aliens and supernatural beings then, even though they're practically in the Bible.
Jaline
(Jun 16 06, 08:40)I believe supernatural beings exist, and I don't believe that the existence of aliens has been disproven. I personally don't know if any Xians who believe that.