IE the standard
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- mrdobolina0
ldww, if you have a captive audience, like a corporate intranet it may not be worth the time.
Especially when you are dealing with ASP or .Net or other apps and things besides if you have all of your divs working properly.
- mrdobolina0
that last post sounds like I do not understand English, but you probably knew what I meant.
- CyBrainX0
I'm not as much of a developer, but isn't it just as much work to creat a web-compliant site as an IE-bitch site?
- olli1010
Absolutely right.
We just moved from ASP to PHP5 and I found severe resistance to moving to a non IE platform on one end and on the other, open-source devs who would test in nothing but Opera.
Corp intranets are heavily IE standardized - especially at the bigger companies.
- winter0
It's like saying White People are the "standard" in the USA, so we won't let any blacks, mexicans, or asians into our stores.
Juliet
(May 30 06, 08:21)
--------------------------------here's a nice example of demagogic reasoning, invoking stuff that has nothing to do with the subject matter.
From my in-job experience i'm sure companies prefer IE because they are buying computers, licenses and microsoft server solutions from re-sellers who are somewhat reluctant in running/installing other opensource database solutions except MS specific or compliant. From the re-sellers point of view, there's a lot of benefit in controlling what your client does with his server. They probably get special bargains for a given number of clients on MS solutions they can control.
that's why FF and open-source philosophy is more popular with independant business and small firms. Not because it's better, but because it's free, which gives you a sense of being as able as the big ones and morally free from defect.
in the end, it's just business: the benefit/cost relation. not anything else.
- Jaline0
winter, you are too mysterious in your igloo. come out and tell us who you are and where you are from. Your poetic words fascinate me.
- rafalski0
I work for an international corporation, currently on their intranet sites. IE only. I can't even browse it with firefox without windows authentication prompts, and even then it looks crappy in it.
The company runs fully on microsoft software, they wouldn't care to optimizing for other browsers.
I work on new intranet layout designs, when it comes to cut-up, I'll make it work in firefox, but just because I like to exercise css.
We started working on new internet site as well, that's where full compliance begins. I just suggested we make it handheld compliant too, since it's an all-blackberry company.. Never optimized anything for bb, but should be fun
- paraselene0
winter, you are too mysterious in your igloo. come out and tell us who you are and where you are from. Your poetic words fascinate me.
Jaline
(May 30 06, 14:53)!
jaline's drunk!
just kidding, dollface, that was totally sweet and winter is totally deserving of your admiration.
night, night all.
- ********0
blah blah. ie is the standard browser but has no standards itself. you're screwed. just make it clear that everything can't be...aw screw it, soccer sucks
- winter0
Jal,
It would profit no one if I would to come out of my shellf.
If you say where you're from, people will just use that, instead of listening to you.
anyway, being misteerialiouslious is something I wouldn't neglect for the heart of me.
And you know I think highly of you. To me, you're not just a person on the internet. You're you. And you know who I am. That's me.
- ants0
I don't think the question should be about what the committee wants, you should focus on what the end user will be doing. Satisfy their needs - and if they have to update their machine to run a site internally, then I would suggest it's not really a need.
Standards would be nice... but they're a while off yet.
- Jaline0
winter, I still have those poems you typed for me! I found them in a file the other day....I seemed to have saved them all...hehe.
Goodnight! You too para :P
- winter0
oh?
Jal, what poems were those? I run a perfect short memory.
- winter0
well, it's late here in Europe...
3:47 am.
Dormez-sie muito bien da vero ;)
- welded0
Developing in a standards-friendly way could be the best way to approach it, but I think somebody else has already mentioned something to the effect that if the software they end up relying on is IE-only then you've got no ground to stand on.
So to you I say good luck and be sure you fully understand what the purpose of the project is.
- rafalski0
[..]From my in-job experience i'm sure companies prefer IE because they are buying computers, licenses and microsoft server solutions from re-sellers who are somewhat reluctant in running/installing other opensource database solutions except MS specific or compliant.
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winter
(May 30 06, 14:46)Close, but I think it's not the real reason. Those are corporations and have corporate logic, which may differ from errr.. regular logic. They have to care about their public image, shareholders, stock value and so on. They are often obliged to buy expensive solutions supplied by software corporations, because those offer support opensource software doesn't have. Even if it's not true or it would be cheaper to have their own support team, buying well branded solutions just soundss more trustworthy. Most executives will not risk share stability (along with their seat stability) by suddenly going opensource, because in might cost the company more in the long run. It's PR. Using reliable, well positioned brands? Good! Using cheaper, free software? Uhmmm.. Risky.
On the other hand, most IT people working there will tell you that solutions by all those m$, suns, oracles and other ciscos is really good.
- monoboy0
Does this company have an 'Equal Opportinuties' employer charter or such? If so, a non accessible intranet could be seen as discrimintation. Just a thought.
On the other hand, what company is prepared to switch every employee to a new browser when there's one already installed. Time and money.
It's probably best to build in CSS with hacks for IE. Best of both worlds.
- normal0
They can like IE all they want, to me that has nothing to do with the markup. If you're calling the shots on the front end side of things then do it how you see fit. Well classed CSS with a thought out DIV system is simply more efficient. To me, that has nothing to do with the IE only standard the company has taken. Unless they are saying you must use tables and font properties? If that's the case, that's just silly.
- welded0
Let's also remember that nobody is asking that the entire company switch to Firefox - only the way the intranet itself it built.
I'm pretty fortunate in that IT is generally cool with anything we want to install so long as it's run by them first, but on the otherhand we're VERY dependant on MS Office and Windows.
- seed0
If I have a choice I will just design for Firefox and use hacks for IE. The Dev/ UE/ Process team consists of 50+ people so I am not sure to what extent I will be involved. Using IE specific DHTML would make it less flexible but if that is the standard I guess it doesn't matter.