NASH IS THE MVP!
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- PonyBoy0
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not hating on the guy either... LOVE KOBE!!!
... always have!!! I was stoked when the girl dropped the rape charges too... even though he did cheat on his wife(don't excuse that) He's just not MVP... not in the full measure of the word - MVP in basketball(or any team sport) isn't about who's the best player... but the best contributor/player - team sport.
- Nac_part20
so youre claiming im getting caught up in the emotion where you can simply be getting caught up in what the media had always hyped up as a rift between phil and kobe...
riiiiigghhhtttt...
and i am sure youre going to try and point out in Phils book that he called Kobe 'uncoachable'...
"uncoachable at times"....and he evidently did say the same thing about shaq, a lot of coaches ten to say that about their players, especially when the player thinks he is possibly making the better decision for himself and others around him...i guess thats how kids do it with their parents too right?
I think you need to rethink your logic.
- Nac_part20
I guess the title MVP does depend on what you define as MVP. Nash in my book is an awesome point gaurd, and well deserving. I never said he didn't, especially last year, just methodically people tend to forget that Kobe does the same for his team. They play 2 different positions so I don't see how people can compare the 2.... Nash is a POINT Gaurd...the position that usually is the distributor... Kobe is a SHOOTING Gaurd...do I need to define what a Shooting gaurd is?
Nash to me, is the Most Valuable Team Player
Kobe is the Best Player.
- PonyBoy0
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actually, Nac... you just pointed out Phil's book - thanks! more ammo! (hehe :) )
what am I supposed to do? judge him basically on his play alone?... okay... NOT MVP... :).
RAD Player... just not the over-all most valuable. He's not - he DOES NOT put plays together like Nash. He MAKES plays... which Nash also does... but he's not the 'team player' that Nash is. That's my logic.
It's sports though! This kind of argument is actually fun - because in the end... Kobe and Stevie still inspire me as equally - both do their job and entertain us all.
- Seff0
- PonyBoy0
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Nac... I think we agree. :)
Kobe - 'talent' and 'ability' is greater than Stevie... and most players before him for that matter.
MVP has to be a 'well-rounded' reward though.
If it were golf - there would be no MVP... cuz there was no 'team'. In golf you'd have a 'best' and then the rest.
so - i think we agree on who's better... just not the definition of what 'MVP' is to the NBA.
- flavorful0
2 cents ... (probably up to like 16 in this thread...)
If you're going to compare Phil Jackson's book about Kobe being uncoachable ... you might want to think about how MVP means ... 1 season.
Not ... how well have you done thus far in your career?
Just me, I hate bringing logic into these things.
- pluto0
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Seff
(Apr 27 06, 18:35)wtf?
- pluto0
That dunk by Vince Carter over the 7' 2" guy was amazing. He's like eat my nuts while I dunk on your ass. Kinda like what Kobe did to Nash, haha
- Nac_part20
Yea, no worries Pony, I ain't hating on you...this is what sports is about.. and why writers and journalists write, not to just tell what happened, but to create debates and stir up excitement amongst people.
I guess I look at it like this.
If you took Nash off the suns this year, and Kobe off the Lakers...which team would have done better?
Probably the Suns.
They have a young good team, that seemed to be a cohesive unit from the start, that could be because of Nash, that could be because of D'Antoni.
With out Kobe... The Lakers would have won 10 games at most. The Clippers would be an even bigger fad then before.
Nash can create plays, but I don't think if he had to make the play by himself, that he wouldn't be nearly as effective as Kobe is.
I don't think Kobe can be discounted being a "team leader" either... Unfortunately, when he doesn't have as many assists and what not as Nash does (even though Nash is a point gaurd, and Kobe isn't) Kobe had to lead by example. Basically he had to show the younger players how to will themselves to be better. Just look at the guy how phenomenal shape he is in. Plays basically every minute of every game, and carries the load while the other players are learning.
I think the playoffs thus far have been a good preview of what all the naysayers think of Kobe. What I mean by preview is that, Kobe is sharing the ball more and getting more people involved now, and now that the other players on the team understand that they have to have a 'no-quit' attitude, they are doing awesome.
Nash is a great player, I mean to take nothing away from him. I just hate the fact that some people to do invoke some of Kobe's "personal" issues into his basketball character.
Although I don't agree with what he did in cheating on his wife, which is an old overtold story, he is an astounging basketball player.
- Seff0
dude looks like iggy pop fool
- flavorful0
Longest post ever.
I didn't even read it.
Boo.
- pluto0
dude looks like iggy pop fool
Seff
(Apr 27 06, 18:45)I agree, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter
- Nac_part20
I think NT needs to have a spell check function just for me as well...
shoulda paid attention all those years in my engrish class...
- flavorful0
Good thing they don't have a website check you fucking no talent fuck.
* Knows full well I owe my hosting company, and baby mamas money.
- Nac_part20
ha
- flavorful0
Ah damn it. Now I almost feel like an asshole because I notice you were making fun of yourself now.
Shrug.
Haha.
- Seff0
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- Nac_part20
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- pluto0
OMG ROFLOL WTF LMAO