Ink smearing
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- Jim_01
Hi,
Whats going on? Basically pantone ink is smearing off standard coated paper stock under not a lot of pressure or just body heat. Our printer is BS us with excuses, I think its something to do with the sealing process any ideas?
- _salisae_0
aqueous varnish perhaps?
- johndiggity0
probably didn't cure right. take it back.
- Jim_010
I've just discovered that its called "Poor Binding and Rub",
Apparently possible causes include: not enough binder in the ink for the particular stock used; the ink penetrates the stock too much, leaving only the pigment on the surface; the ink is too soft; the stock is very absorbent.What should I say?
- ********0
Jim_01:
take it back. You're going to have to redo the job anyway.
Maybe you can shame them into doing the right thing
- Jim_010
20,000 run already, We're talking huge cost here. I guess what I'm asking is is it the printer fault?
Also I've just read that 'normal' pantone inks are not laser compatible because tey are plastic based?
- honest0
body heat affecting a full colour print? How large is your print area? Full bleed? It shouldn't set off in your hands man, that shit ain't right. Get on the mutherfucker and tell them they ain't getting paid until you're happy.
- stevegee0
they fukt up, they need to make good on it.
I believe that is true about laser safe and typically you tell a printer that you need the letterheads to be laser safe, they add some type of a chemical to the ink to cure it against future heat from the laser printer
- Jim_010
The jobs stationery, full bleed business cards and comp slip,/paper with some block colour. Nothing out of the ordinary.
- honest0
tell me it wasn't a metallic pantone.
i would need to see the amount of set off happening but full colour backs will rub off under pressure. I tend to seal my full bleeds or at least have it on uncoated
- Jim_010
No Just PMS293, blue. And It is on howard smith think4, uncoated. I made a typo before. I have some one elses cards that are very similar and I cannot get them to rub.
- zombiewoof0
seems like an odd set of printed material to have printed as coated... stationary, comp slips, etc...
As _salisea_ said, if your gonna coat dark PMS colors always use aqueous...
- Gucci0
blue never dries, literally.
They should have let it sit for a really really long time (especially if there's a lot of ink coverage) Blue is by far the worst colour to print and get consistant colour from.
- Jim_010
Great..... SO basically the job seems as if it should have had a coating to seal after printing. Would you expect a printer to just do this or would you normally request it?
- ThreeSevenFive0
In most cases you have to request a coating. (aqueous coating) The printer should have at least advised you of this for good customer service.
- Gucci0
^ what ThreeSevenFive said
ESPECIALLY if there was a lot of ink coverage. He shouldn't have assumed you know everything about production and warned you about the pitfalls of the job.
Pressmen are a lot like mechanics... some can be total assbags, others actually care about their work and clients.
Sorry man. If the job isn't to your liking, I say put some serious pressure on the guy. There's little else you can do on your end that won't make you look like shit – and who knows, maybe he'll cave?
- nosaj0
It's up to the printer to tell you if there is going to be trouble accomplishing what you're requesting. Let them have it.
- t_rock0
could have something to do with the Pantone colour ink chemistry. 293 blue is a mix of relfex blue, which is always a very difficult ink to dry. also, letterhead for laser should use non-wax based inks, but these days most printers are aware of that.
- horton0
what t_rock said..
PMS 293
= 1/2 reflex blue
= notorious for never dryingthat said the printer should have warned you and provided some coating options if there was heavy floods of 293.
- horton0
i learned this same thing the hard way several years ago.
but i also was able to reject the print job and have them reprint with a better ink, no charge.
even 2935 C would be better as its more pro blue/ less reflex, and just a slight shade off 293.
- Jim_t0
Thanks guys. I'll let you know what happens! Here we go!!!