white ink?
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- horton
i've got an offset 3C print job using opaque white inks on an unbleached cardstock...
the printer is saying they can't do a spot white ink.. is that BS or am i expecting too much?
- kyl30
screenprinting is the only way to get white ink that I know of.
- danthon0
have you thought about foil or maybe silver with white opaque?
- horton0
really? i don't know about that..
how transparent is the Pantone white called out in their formulas?
so if i was to offset print PMS Cool Grey 1 on a mid-brown card, it would be totally transparent?
i know metallic offset inks can be totally opaque.
- horton0
have you thought about foil or maybe silver with white opaque?
danthon
(Nov 29 05, 10:33)hmm.. good idea but i don't know if foil will work for this one. but i'm curious now as to what makes the metalic inks opaque.
- horton0
hey kyl3 btw.. i like that Talla stuff... saw the site the other day.
do you do any of the printwork or just web?
- kyl30
Thanks Horton,
she does the prints and I do the website.
- spendogg0
If your printer says they wont spot print white - switch printers - its BS
- designaked0
I dont know if print PMS there is an official PMS white but all companies generally have a formula for white. Its used when you background is not white such as CD's, mettalic substrates, etc. Screen printing uses this alot. There are different flavors of white too that some companies use. Pantone has transparent white and opaque white that some people use. Also in fabrics there are whites like Pearl White. You need to just specify to your screen printer that the area is white and if they have more then one white you want to see a sample.
For the AI color sep set up. I generally just make a 5% black plate then make it spot color at 100%. I do it this way because:
1. If you leave it 5% black... then its a 5% black screen.
2. renaming it white and making it a spot will make it a 100% plate.
3. If you just make it 0% black, then many systems will ignore the space as a non printing area.
4. If you put in a fake color like PMS cool grey #, then it could be run with that color by mistake.You can just leave it as a 0% black then convert to a new spot color. I only use the 5% as a proofing tool when printing on paper. It doesnt affecct the final output either. Choice is yours, as long as you defineit as a White color spot plate, you will be ok. You have to be VERY CLEAR to the printer that the spot plate is white. Also make sure to check if that they are using a solid opaque white or a transparent white, whichever you want.
- dakels
- designaked0
Here's a really great read (quick too):
- horton0
If your printer says they wont spot print white - switch printers - its BS
spendogg
(Nov 29 05, 11:08)that's what i was hoping to hear - thx!
- horton0
awesome - nice link - thanks dakels!
- horton0
have you thought about foil or maybe silver with white opaque?
danthon
(Nov 29 05, 10:33)i stand corrected and after reading this article, looks like both these suggestions from Danthon would work well..
i like the idea of mixing a little silver with white, sounds totally doable.
thanks everyone.
- danthon0
I just got back an xmas card we did that used white foil on a snow scene. Very nice. I got the silver metallic tip from the same article dakels posted. In my case foil was the way to go. Totally different effect than ink.
- horton0
i've never used foil.. was it a big bump in the price?
- designaked0
It will be a noticeable bump...depends on what you consider big I guess.
- t_rock0
foil stamping the white can get costly. Using a white spot ink works, and mixing in a little metallic silver really helps out. we recently did some business cards with 3 spot colours on black paper. turned out nice. 2 hits of white and another pms.
- Soler0
you can also engrave white. (Raised ink, not embossed, but engraved)