Intelligent Design 2
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- gruntt0
Fuck it dude, let's go bowling.
- gruntt0
It's humorous when people take it upon themselves to police NT.
Mimio
(Nov 9 05, 11:43)i'm gonna need to see some i.d.
- designaked0
You fucked it up Walter.
- gruntt0
Shut the fuck up, Donny.
- designaked0
JESUS.
You said it mang. Nobody fucks with tha Jesus.
- discipler0
So, discipler, jumping off of evolution for a second. Why, if Jesus and God are so great have more people died because of religion than have been saved by it?
designaked
(Nov 9 05, 11:03)
-----------------------------Actually, more people have died in the 20th century alone under the banner of Atheistic Materialism, than all prior centuries due to "religious conflict". Thank Neitzche, primarily, for that.
That said, the crusades and other evils, were done by people merely proclaiming the name of Christianity. I do not believe they were truly followers of Christ.
Jesus said that his true disciples would be known by their deeds.
- gruntt0
Eight-year-olds, Dude.
(lol - i could do this all day)
- discipler0
the whole "wars in the name of religion" cop out, really holds no water under scrutiny.
- pavlovs_dog0
KILL WHITEY
- discipler0
Pablito, in reply to your thread starting post. The reason people reject ID, IMO, is because they are ignorant about current science. Things like:
1. DNA. This is sequential digital code at the core of the cell. It is information and every example of information we know of, has an intelligent entity as it's source.
2. Molecular Machines and Irreducible & Specified Complexity. The cell is a vast liliputian world of mind boggling complexity. With machinery more complex than anything human engineers have developed. In fact, cellular biology is employing principles of advanced mechanical engineering just to try and understand some of these machines. These machines include: The Cell. The Bacteria Flagellum. The Blood Clotting Cascade. These machines are irreducible, meaning that if you remove any one component, the entire machine breaks. Darwinian gradualism cannot build these machines because of this. They require all of their parts at once, or not at all. Additionally, the parts are "specified", or purposefully arranged and placed. Something a mindless natural mechanism is incapable of building. In fact, Natural Selection would prevent it.
3. Lack of evidence for macroevolutionary changes in species. Irreducible Complexity demonstrates that Darwin's mechanism cannot produce novel information at the molecular level, and thus cannot produce novel tissue and body plans. And this is consistent with science, because it has never observed this. We only see change/adaptation within an existing species, we do not observe species becoming new species.
4. Relating to the previous point, the fossil record. The record shows that during the Cambrian period, we have the sudden appearance of millions of body plans, which according to evolutionary time tables, would be impossible to have evolved from other species. And that's giving Darwin's mechanism of NS + RM, the benefit of the doubt regarding evolving species to species.
5. Fine Tuning of Physical constants, etc.... Gravity, oxygen, positioning relative to the sun and moon - these are all precisely where they need to be within an minute tolerance, in order to support organic life. Any variation on even the smallest scale, and life would not be possible.
6. The Big Bang + General Relativity. The fact that all matter and energy came into being at a specific time in the past, points strongly to a first cause.
7. Human Conscience. Since it's not possible for a purely physical mechanism to produce that which is metaphysical - emotions, altruism, artistic expression, first-person perspective, etc... it is logical to infer a designer.
These are just a few quick points and I'm typing way too fast. There are others, but this would give you an idea of the type of data which supports ID. Hope it helps.
- discipler0
So, the difference is:
Biblical Creationism interprets science through the lens of the Genesis creation account.
ID looks at current science and the problems with Darwinian Evolution and makes a hypothesis. ID does not say who or what the designer is.
- pavlovs_dog0
still boring, still stupid...
- discipler0
GAGGHH!
- no_info0
Actually, more people have died in the 20th century alone under the banner of Atheistic Materialism, than all prior centuries due to "religious conflict". Thank Neitzche, primarily, for that.
I have heard you say this exact phrase before. The conquest of the americas alone killed far more than any 20th century supposed athiestic materialism. You are going to have to produce some SERIOUS facts to back up your statments.
- yarsrevenge0
Way to make a contradictory ass of yourself yars! Congrats!
You criticize "us" for generalizing "you" by generalizing "us". Awesome work brotha! Way to make a solid point.
designaked
(Nov 9 05, 11:25)
--------------------I said this because it was contextual... contextual to all christian threads in the way everyone likes to bash on Christianity when they haven't the slightest bit of knowledge about its true teachings and like to link every war as you put it to religion... now...
as for the "making an ass of one's self" part... since you make brilliant remarks like "I think anyone who believes in ID is on some serious crack"... don't throw stones when you live in a glass house... "brutha".
- version30
religion
god
discipler
intelligent design
biblr
koran
etc..=
worthless
fuck these threads
- kyl30
you blinded me with science
-thomas dolby
- discipler0
I'm a lovely flower and I bring tidings of jubilee to you all.
version3
(Nov 9 05, 12:37)
- discipler0
kyl3 just summed it up.