Intelligent design
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- KuzII0
You know what i find more shocking and dishonest about Disco? That the fellows at disco started a journal called Progress in Complexity, Information and Design specifically to publish peer-reviewed ID articles, because there were none to be found anywhere else!
It's like the ID people can't get their work in other major peer-review publications so they create their own! THey call THAT peer-review?? Talk about institutional bias. I mean, i'm no scientist, but i know when i smell a rat. "the journal has failed to appear several times, showing a lack of ideas and research for the intelligent design concept."
- KuzII0
i dont have time to go through all of the links on that Disco peer-reviewed list, but even taking a couple, just reveals a certain level of dishonesty. You have to admit that Behe's book being on there does kinda stretch credulity!
- discipler0
Kuzz, you are simply pasting the propaganda and lies that you are finding on internet searches. :)
It's nonsense. A again, notice it avoids the science. ;)
- ********0
Are you a scientist discipler?
- kelpie0
I mean, i'm no scientist, but i know when i smell a rat.
KuzII
(Nov 9 05, 06:57)funny you should say that kuz, cos my pal is coming to stay with me for a week next week (you know the one) - he is a scientist - I ask him what he thinks.
PHD Geneticist.
actually, if you have a couple of questions I could ask him from you discipler, I'll be interested to do so mate :)
- discipler0
Kuzz, you are definitely venturing into unfamiliar territory here. Books are most definitely peer reviewed and in many cases held in higher regard than published papers.
- discipler0
Nope. Not a scientist. Just a layperson.
- discipler0
And the discovery page shows exaclty what the article is, what subject matter was covered and where it was peer reviewed. You can't get much more straight forward than that.
- ********0
ok, but your enough of a scientist to say with absolute authority what is flawed science and what isn't?
- Mimio0
Yeah but "Darwin's Black Box" by Behe totally skipped any peer review process and went right to the shelves, making it reek like any another religious provocation.
- discipler0
Have you read the best-selling Darwin's Black Box, Mimio? Didn't think so. Are you biased and dishonest? Yes, thought so.
- discipler0
No, skt. I have an informed opinion on this issue. That's all.
- Mimio0
What did I say that was dishonest? Am I mistaken did Behe publish a single peer reviewed article or scholarly journal about IC before he published DBB? How am I injecting bias with that statement?
- discipler0
Not aware that Behe has had numerous peer reviewed papers published? If you don't believe me read the Dover trial transcripts days 9 - 11.
Not aware that his book is Biochemistry and has nothing to do with religion?
Not aware of these facts?
http://www.discovery.org/scripts…
- mrdobolina0
just because someone publishes a book about biochem that has nothing to do with religion, does not mean that all of their books are valid. I fail to see your point.
- discipler0
The discussion of peer review is a mute point anyway. Discussions like these avoid the science of the issue. And again, it has been established that numerous ID proponents have had both peer reviewed papers and books. To suggest anything else is propaganda. Period.
- Mimio0
You know as well as I do discipler, Behe's motives and intent by publishing a non-per-reviewed book attacking a another scientific theory were not for the beneift of the scientific community, but to incite the public/political arena, particularly religious types lke yourself.
- discipler0
The ID proponents are the punk rockers of science. The religious establishment that is the "mainstream" scientific community is not open to change and therefore is not going to be so keen on promoting their ideas. Especially in this early stage of ID. Again, just like the punk rockers who proposed the Big Bang theory. See, it's important to understand biases and prejudice in the scientific community. These people don't like their good ol' time religion challenged.
- mrdobolina0
"mute" is actually "moot" in the context you are using it. mute means no sound.
- kelpie0
I thought the string theory guys were the punk rockers of science? so confudling this malarkey