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- Mimio0
No Discipler,
That's precisely where you and I differ. I say that "I don't know" and you say "God did it". Which point of view is more honest?
- discipler0
normal, you are confusing instinct and sensory response with the ability to reason and make choices. A rat cannot ponder the choice to believe in God or not to.
Love for Christ is out of gratitude for what he has done. Not necessarily to gain something. After all, the gospel message communicates that we are helpless in our sin and that it is by grace alone that God saves. You fail to demonstrate that we are not superior to animals and that we do not possess a metaphysical consciousness.
- bk_shankz0
But the Earth was a complex system that came out of something simple. It was dust and debris that formed into a planetoid. When it gained enough mass it produced a molten core that enabled many of the transformations and life.
- discipler0
Mimio, honesty to me in this issue, is about looking at the available evidence and forming a reasonable hypothesis. For me, it would be dishonest to look at the complexity of biological systems and say... "hmm, it all just happened.". I'd be covering my eyes and ears.
- mrdobolina0
the bible is not evidence. it's a fairy tale on par with little red riding hood.
- discipler0
shankz, I don't have a problem with the symbiotic relationships you mention. I'm simply saying that an intelligent designer is responsible for it. However, the conditions that make organic life possible do not produce information-gaining mutations in species. Again, the fine-tuning of our priveleged planet demonstrates a designer.
- discipler0
brilliant insight, dobs. *sigh
you make it abundantly clear that you don't care about these issues, but are just interested in stirring up argument.
- bruised_blood0
dear god, here we go again. Only posted yesterday and it's already over 200.
hey discipler...
do you post under a different name the rest of the time on NT? because you only ever seem to turn up on these almighty religious bitch-slapping threads that swallow gargantuan amounts of QBN's servers...
where do you go the rest of the time? do you hibernate?
- mrdobolina0
it's all bullshit and the point of this thread was talking about it being taught in schools.
teach it in private parochial schools all you want, but don't use my tax money to do it in public schools.
- discipler0
I turn into a paramecium and wiggle about aimlessly.
- kelpie0
Here are sources with articles and treatments by actual scientists:
www.ideacenter.org
www.discovery.org
www.answersingenesis.org
www.trueorigins.orgThere... have at it.
discipler
(Aug 2 05, 14:38)here you go, get the truth from my long list of completely objective sources. And remember; what you don't understand was probably put there by an omnipotent being who exists outside of time and space, come on, it can't really be anything else when you THINK about it.
- discipler0
I'm not the one who brought the thread in the direction it has gone.
And don't use my tax dollars to teach a myth based on Civil War era science and which doesn't qualify as a scientific theory. Teach good and current science to our children along side the tradition... and let the children decided for themselves.
- mrdobolina0
teach the children fucking ghost stories as facts?
it is a slippery slope. if the fundies get this, what is next?
I realize, discipler that you are not a church fundamentalist, but you MUST see what I am trying to say.
can't you see that people like pat robertson want this to be done to set a precedent and to increase their recruitment of new churchgoers?
- discipler0
here you go, get the truth from my long list of completely objective sources. And remember; what you don't understand was probably put there by an omnipotent being who exists outside of time and space, come on, it can't really be anything else when you THINK about it.
kelpie
(Aug 3 05, 07:41)
-----------------------------hey kids, the complexity we see in the information hard coded into DNA which is more complex than a supercomputer, just... well... it just happened. Nevermind all the other examples of design: the cell, the bacteria flagellum, the precision tuning of our planet, the human consciousness... nah, just put your fingers in your ears and assume that purely mindless naturalistic processes produced it. *bell rings.
class is over.
- discipler0
let me calm your fears from the official website, dobs:
2. Is Discovery Institute trying to eliminate, reduce or censor the coverage of evolution in textbooks?
No. Far from reducing the coverage of evolution, Discovery Institute seeks to increase the coverage of evolution in textbooks. It believes that evolution should be fully and completely presented to students, and they should learn more about evolutionary theory, including its unresolved issues. The true censors are those who want to stop any discussion of the scientific weaknesses of evolutionary theory.
3. Should public schools require the teaching of intelligent design?
No. Instead of mandating intelligent design, Discovery Institute recommends that states and school districts focus on teaching students more about evolutionary theory, including telling them about some of the theory's problems that have been discussed in peer-reviewed science journals. In other words, evolution should be taught as a scientific theory that is open to critical scrutiny, not as a sacred dogma that can't be questioned. We believe this is a common-sense approach that will benefit students, teachers, and parents.
- xaoscontrol0
blah blah blah..I get major psycho-wood when I instigate arguments with people who are into religion...blah blah blah....
- stewardez0
hey kids, the complexity we see in the information hard coded into DNA which is more complex than a supercomputer, just... well... it just happened.
(Aug 3 05, 07:45)
-------------it didn't just happened, we just don't know everything, now do we?
To say some 'intelligent something' designed, it sound a little naïve to me
- discipler0
naive, or a logical conclusion based on the latest evidence, stewardez?
tell you what, look at what the ID scientists are saying and form your conclusion. somehow I'm thinking all these guys are not diluted and naive:
http://www.discovery.org/scripts…
- stewardez0
All you are saying is based on your religion, what you believe. Where does your believe come from?
I just don't get it. But hey, i'm a non-believer.
- discipler0
errrr, no. My belief about the origin of the universe and organic life is supported scientifically.