Now+Then=NEON!
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- swampygav
I was talking to a tutor the other day about how, in maybe 50-100 years time, there may be a total conversion away from all the MAC MAC MAC MAC lifestyle we have today (ie. vector graphic galour) and a subversion to THE ULTIMATE artform in history.
It will be the ultimate becuase it will mix the amazing concepts and cerebral stuff of today and mix it with the painstaking life enducing effort and skill of the Rennaissance.
Think about it...regardless of who the hell it was for, what the hell it was about - wouldn't you give the artist so much respect in todays world if they actually took the time and effort to paint a picture that took years to construct and make - purely because it is anti-modern-hustle-bustle-quick... etc.
Maybe it's already happening. Maybe it will never happen. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe...
- snuggles0
420?
- vburo0
interesting thought, swampy.
i have been thinking about it lots..
i think the speed of absorbing things sort of puts us into a rushing lifestyle that is also reflected in the process of creation..
- snuggles0
Chuck Close still take years to paint one portrait, he's a modern day master for sure...
- Mimio0
Cool questions to ask Swampy
Depends on the intent of the artist. Some artist like to hold the mirror up to themselves, or to society, or God. There's something really nice about the immediacy of some mediums, and process intensive nature of others, they are just part of the meaning. I wonder about the same things.
- swampygav0
I hat eit when somebody says "this is cool". Why? I agree stuff is cool, but so much stuff is "cool" because it's a sexy vector graphic. It annoys me because it is so disposable. Whoever said "a good design is one that show no traces of who created it" was a complete idiot. I hope that design realises the power of the word "HUMAN" a little more. And not human in a sense that says "show us handwriting", I mean working for love as well - the whole package. Love of communication and benefitting someone elses life and making them appreciate who you are and seeing another way to think. That is what art is to me. Another way to see life. It's not a cool trainer.
- danthon0
the pinnicle of machine art
- snuggles0
You've got your heart in the right place and I hope in my lifetime I see a further mix of art and design. I see lot's of it around, but it's still very market driven. I think if things were more "under-designed" and basic, that would allow people and consumers make their own decisions, rather than being affected by over-emotional design...
- swampygav0
WHat danthon...I'm not criticising machine art. I appreciate the intricacy of how machine art comes together, if you think I hate it on principle. I don't. And a Mac is a wonderful piece of modern engineering.
- Mimio0
"a good design is one that show no traces of who created it"
I think the personthat said/says this means the design should be pure message. Everything in the composition should service it's ability to communicate.
- snuggles0
Everything in the composition should service it's ability to communicate.
Mimio(May 3 05, 13:41)
completely agree with that. strip out the self-indulgent crap that so litters todays work...
- Mimio0
Exactly, it ain't rock n'roll.
- swampygav0
"a good design is one that show no traces of who created it"
I read it in the context that the design should be pure message yes - but also, I think this has it's faults. If a designers imput into content, for example, gives the whole thing a new angle, what is the matter with this? What if designers were chosen on the basis of their lives, or how they could benefit content? Why should they just be voyeurs who speak for people? They aren't speaking for themselves, they are just pushing the image to show that the paying client is something that they actually aren't. Ultimately you are benefitting the client and communicating them - what if you gave your angle on that?
- swampygav0
completely agree with that. strip out the self-indulgent crap that so litters todays work...
snuggles
What? Crap? Why is that crap? What is wrong with communicating your life, for instance? I'm not saying that a designer should be ridiculously obsessed with themselves - but how many people can honestly say they are in love with Helvetica? Yes, it's a very nice font, but...
- swampygav0
design has it's purpose, people will do what they feel comfortable with...but you can't make sweeping comments like "self indulgence is littering the design industry with crap". No it's not. It's down to your choice, ultimately - all I'm saying is, is that maybe we should become more human about it. Maybe we should say a big FUCK YOU to all car advertising that tries to sell big arse SUVs to inner city rich boys. What the hell? How do people get away with that? And how can a desigenr make the excuse that they are just doing it to get paid, or be creative? There are no innocent bystanders. In the words of Faithless - "Inaction is a weapon of Mass Destruction"
- Mimio0
Ever read the "First Things First" manifesto from 2000?
- vburo0
i am in lurking mode now. but i wanted to say for now this thread is great.
keep it going..
- swampygav0
Ever read the "First Things First" manifesto from 2000?
that's the wavelength I'm on, I guess, yeah.
- Mimio0
Design is great, even though it's commodified, it can have levels of meaning. Maybe you should develop a working method for getting clients to avoid using the "hard sell", a more honest communication framework? One that represents multiple viewpoints, not just hard-and-fast economics.
- snuggles0
ok so, I didn't mean to generalize with the "self-indulgence riddling society with crap" comment. Obviously certain artists/designers are commisioned for their style.
I can't argue with why a company would want to hire the shit-hot artist of the mo.
Fuck, I can agree with you in that designers need to take more responsibility for the power of the messages that they put out there. Personally, I don't actually deal with clients anymore, just my CD's, then they deal with the clients. So my contact and influence is very limited.
With my freelance clients I try to give them very simple solutions that work with the simple concept of "here's our stuff, buy it if you want/ come to our show if you want, etc" We assume that consumers need to be told something, or we like to make them feel like they're missing something for not buying into our wares. And that my friend, is the stuff that makes me sick.
If you didn't reinvent the wheel, stop telling me you have, I'll be the judge of that..