new theory of mine.
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- rabattski0
you only see colours because there is light. you only see evil if there's goodness but it is you that sees the colours and it is you that sees if it's evil. if evil itself doesn't know it's evil and no one recognizes it as evil it doesn't excist.
- rabattski0
no no no lesk, evil merely excists due to goodness and goodness merely excists due to evil. not because it's just there but because it's meaningless if the opposite isn't there. if everyone would be good, no one would know what good is untill someone is evil. it's a universal balance.
- ribit0
this just in...
definition(s) of evil:
http://www.google.com/search?rls…
- Lesk0
thats exactly my point, so evil must know it is evil, otherwise its not evil and good isn't good. we must assume evil is evil otherwise good isn't good. like u said, and saying evil merley excists due tp goodness is like saying the glass is half full, but we all say its half empty because we did infact consume some or filled it up to that point considering to consume it, so in the end its always negative.
- Elfangio0
Black & White
yin & yan
Light & darkness
Moon & Sun
Good & EvilBut as someone once said in life its not everything black & White, there is a lot of grays in the middle. And we as designers should know that :P
- ********0
It is impossible that everyone are good. Like it's impossible that paradise exists, because you'll never find similar persons and as good/evil is nothing more than a human perspective on things, good becomes evil or vice versa.
What i mean is that we always catogorize what we see and label them as primitvely as good/evil.
- ********0
dudes
you're really serious on this... go ahead.
just don't google for philosophical definitions and use them as they come along coz most of them lack serious authorship and reference.
- ********0
But evil doesn't know it's evil. Or even if it thinks itself as evil there might be someone who thinks evil is good and finds good justification for it's actions.
Like the same glass of water example. It's up to you how you see things. There isn't a universal law about what is good and what ise evil and therefore good isn't good unless you think it's good. And Evil isn't evil unless you think it's evil And you can always think evil is good and good is evil. Or that evil is not that evil and good can be better.
- Lesk0
Black & White
yin & yan
Light & darkness
Moon & Sun
Good & EvilBut as someone once said in life its not everything black & White, there is a lot of grays in the middle. And we as designers should know that :P
Elfangio
(May 2 05, 02:59)You forgot my favorite one, Water & Sand
At least thats how I like to look at things.
Water can be salty or not, cold, warm or hot. It can also be in 3 states.
Sand is dry, we can also use it to measure time, and mirrors are made out of it.*and there is quicksand. ^_^'
- Lesk0
sajets, you just went back and forth, you didn't even use an analogy to prove a point, and if someone sees evil as good, and another good as evil, they are the gray in life if there is black & white.
- rabattski0
no lesk, you're not understanding what i am trying to say. what i said has nothing to do with evil knowing it is evil. evil and good need each other in order to excist. which doesn't mean that good always knows it's good and evil always knows it's evil. it is perfectly possible that evil excists without knowing it is evil because no a) one recognized it as being evil or b) that person doesn't see it actions as being evil but as good. as a simple example: the witchhunting done by religious figures back in the days. for them it was never experienced as doing evil while they where actually doing evil. know what i mean? another example, a mass murderer with a mental disorder may be so convinced about his actions as being pure goodness it doesn't see it as evil. we say it's evil and from that point on it excists.
- rabattski0
and sajets is so right, there is no universal law about what good is and what is evil. humankind defines the norms and values for those. the universe, frankly, doesn't give a fuck.
- Lesk0
I was just wondering, why do we up to this date remember the holocaust, I keep hearing ''so something like that doesn't happen again'' isn't the memory of it a higher risk? It's not like someone could concieve that many people again, parents have trouble raising thier own children I doubt one person can get the next generation to do anything at all.
- ********0
no lesk, you're not understanding what i am trying to say. what i said has nothing to do with evil knowing it is evil. evil and good need each other in order to excist. which doesn't mean that good always knows it's good and evil always knows it's evil. it is perfectly possible that evil excists without knowing it is evil because no a) one recognized it as being evil or b) that person doesn't see it actions as being evil but as good. as a simple example: the witchhunting done by religious figures back in the days. for them it was never experienced as doing evil while they where actually doing evil. know what i mean? another example, a mass murderer with a mental disorder may be so convinced about his actions as being pure goodness it doesn't see it as evil. we say it's evil and from that point on it excists.
rabattski
(May 2 05, 03:08)Thats the point i'm trying to make.
Evil is what our background doesn't understand or opposes with.
Just one question - would there be evil if there would be no man?
- Elfangio0
yeah I also dont think there is a mathematical formula to explain Good/Evil...
- Lesk0
I guess your right in that sense.
I just like taking the word for its word, otherwise it becomes meaningless.But I think its funny how our world works, It could easily be a program of our minds. I guess whoever is at the top of the food chain is the one who rules.
- ********0
if you search for the reasons for holocaust you'll find that there was very big amount of "good" in that. Or so did one group thought because it was good for them. But now for western system it good to think about holocaust as bad.
Good or bad. Makes no difference at all.
- Lesk0
yeah I also dont think there is a mathematical formula to explain Good/Evil...
Elfangio
(May 2 05, 03:14)Done my friend.
Good=4 letters
Evil=4 letters
4-4=0
- rabattski0
lesk, the holocaust is the perfect example, why do we remember it? well ofcourse out of respect but foremost in order to keep recognizing it as evil. that is evil, this is good.
do we remember witch hunting? no? was it evil? hells yeah. random killing people who didn't act like everyone else. do we still see it as evil? no, we see it as some awkward historic event where people thought differently and acted differently. so it has lost most of it's evilness.
that's why we remember things in order to keep recognizing evilness. no one expected it to happen in the first place because no one did see hitler and his initial plans as being evil.
- ********0
Hea - 3 letters
Halb - 4 letters3-4= -1
So estonians are mor evil that english speaking world.
:D