Christian & Catholic
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- Mimio0
Sure Plastipop,
That's just it, I just don't see any reason to take the claims of creationists seriously.
- brtman0
discipler, I get the feeling you just want to raise doubt in the unsuspicious NT crowd. You have mentioned a lot of points that take a lot of time to refute. So much, that by that time, the crowd doesn't follow the thread anymore and goes to sleep thinking: maybe he has a point.
Well, evolution IS fact and IS taught at every decent college and university. For me, they tell the truth. If you don't agree, fine, but don't hijack threads around here to raise doubt.
Get back to design. Please.
- discipler0
Mimio, you've been provided with ample scientific evidence to show the holes in evolution and I've shown you articles penned by scientists providing scientific fact, not opinion, to support the creation model. Does that not perhaps indicate that there's some legitimacy to the creation model? Certainly THAT many scientists aren't deluding themselves, are they?
- discipler0
unbelievable.
nope, doesn't merit a response.
- Mimio0
brtman,
He's just throwing it out there and seeing what happens. Can't blame him for that.
- plastipop0
Mimio, I totally understand. I used to think the exact same thing. It was really a big problem for me. So what I did, knowing that I already believed in evolution, I tryed to just look at the evidence. I began to see that I had alot of ideas about science that just were not true. Stuff I had been taught in school and on PBS etc. So I just said, suppose it is true? Suppose the world wasn't billions of years old? When I set aside my assumptions it allowed me to examine the evidence in a new way. Take the forming of fossils for example. Do you know how long it takes for fossils to form? You might be supprised. I always thought the ark was a big joke, an impossibility. But do you know how big it really was? Do you know how many kinds of animals you would need on it in order to have all the animals we have today? Again, you might be supprised. When Mount St Helens erupted years ago, scientist when there and discovered the blast had created a "mini" grand canyon at the base of the mountain, not over years, but only hours. If you are honest and really want to find answers, they are not out of reach.
- Mimio0
Discipler,
I haven't read everything you've posted, but the last Genesis answers site you posted I read both articles and I just didn't find them compelling or even accurate. Obviously I'm giving certain findings/facts/evidence more weight than the apparent flaws with evolutionary understanding.
- plastipop0
grand canyon - alot of water, a little bit of time...(this is an article by the scientist who studied mount st helens in washington state-very interesting)
http://www.grisda.org/origins/11…
- stphn0
http://www.answersingenesis.org/…
*turns other cheek... only to reveal spinning backfist
j/k
lets just throw links at each other all day, its like a sick sort of snow ball fight.
- Mimio0
stphn,
I just posted a link refuting the criticism of carbon dating. It's actually very widely accepted and used. This is such a tired argument by creationists.
- plastipop0
mim. i appreciate the links actually. thanks. i also appreciate that this person has read alot of creationist information himself. more than i can say for most...
- stphn0
Well, I just posted a link refuting links that refute the criticism of carbon dating.
Arguments only get tired because they dont get resolved.
- stphn0
We all know that this a tired debate, we knew it when we engaged it. Discipler knew it when he walked in on it, thats why he cartwheeled into it in a gorilla suit. Its endless, but then we could switch the debate to what the end actually is I suppose.
- stphn0
it all comes back to this for me.
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"the only thing that should matter is whether or not both have entered into a saving relationship with the Jesus of scripture... after all that's what makes a person a Christian, not what church or denomination one is a member of"
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... or what they believe to be true of the beginning of the world, or how acurate carbon dating is, or how fast erosion takes place, or who has a bigger list of scientists, or who is right and who is wrong.
- Mimio0
What good is a marriage without a few stupid "who's right and who's wrong" arguments?
- brtman0
amen
* apologizes for bad joke
- gruntt0
jimeeboy - did i say this thread would grow or what?
=)
- stphn0
Well if nothing else we've answered the question that creationist and evolutionist...
probably not a good match for marriage.
But Catholic and Christian...
odds are better.
- plastipop0
"the only thing that should matter is whether or not both have entered into a saving relationship with the Jesus of scripture... after all that's what makes a person a Christian, not what church or denomination one is a member of"
love it...