Flash as HTML
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- Nea
In my crusade to converte clients into Flash, I need to show some website where Flash is used and feels as HTML: scrollable large pages, selectable texts, diferent files for each page, etc...
I've found Fantasy Interactive.
Do you know some?
- Epictive0
Funny, I am in my crusade to convert clients from Flash to HTML.
Guess that isn't too helpful for you.
- ScottTheRobot0
ooo... Fight Fight Fight!!
- olive0
I'm for the opposite as well.
People just don't download the newest flash plug in, if asked so by a website, unless there is a very very good reason not to miss the content. (I will only do so on my own machine, and even then, when it's convenient for me, not convenient for some other website)Even more, a lot of people surf at work on intranets, linux networks, whatever, and everything is done by the TS department, All people you potentially say goodbye to.
- sparker0
why would you want to use flash to make a site that could easily be done is xhtml????
i'm sorry, but that's a pretty stupid crusade.
- Nea0
I think these reasons are enough to mee:
1. Less complications in the whole process of design.
2. Complete freedom to format text in any typography I may choose (I can even format it in illustrator and export it to swf if I get really mad about text formating)
3. Tons of hours (and pain) saved of testing compatibilty pc-mac, explorer-netscape, explorer-firefox, explorer-opera. explorer-washing-machine.
4. Complete freedom to add animations in any place any moment.
5. No more stupid pixel calculation to positionate an element.
6. No more cells, or tables, or layers, wich are all square and suspected to have a own drive to appear in the wrong places.
7. Less time of charging, because the each page is just a clean nice swf file, instead of a puzzle of text, formated, text, images jpg, images gif, embebed flash, layers. tables, background images...
8. Total control in the sequence of the charge of files,.
9. No need of Quictime plugin to display video, wich can go inside of the page instead of open in an annoing popup.
10. Flash ROCKS!!!I can go on and on and on...
But also, my client work is mostly Flash animated advertising.
- Nac0
amen Nea
- sparker0
page weight. plugins. browser and device incompatibility. lack of native database support. complixity of development for 'non-flash' contractors. not accessible via screen readers or other disability utilities. load times. encapsulation and vendor lock-in requirements.
the list goes the other way, too.
don't confuse a lack of skills as a reason to "convert" clients. simply because you know flash doesn't make it the correct choice for a project.
i'll tell you a little secret...now it's going to hurt egos' a bit...but 'designers' aren't alway right.
- Solid0
i'll tell you a little secret...now it's going to hurt egos' a bit...but 'designers' aren't alway right.
sparker
(Mar 22 05, 15:30)
----------------o_0 !?!
- sparker0
besides, name me one completely flash based site that is well-known and popular OUTSIDE of this tiny design community?
let's see if we can rattle off a few well used and liked sites that are xhtml.
google. wikipedia. flickr. yahoo. apple. cnn. bbc.
the list goes on.
hell, i can name ones INSIDE the tiny design community...newstoday, k10k, dik, etc...
- fusionpixel0
I love flash, but a lot of people hate it. so It just depends what you are working on.
As much as you like flash you can hurt a company for making them use flash when it is not needed.
In my personal experience I "made" a yamaha motorcicles brach make their website full flash. It gave the wow factor but didnt last long. specially when I left the main company that I was working for and they didnt have anyone to update the site. They ended up switching companies and from flash to a HTML site. Did it help? yes at the moment, long term it was a dissaster.
my 00.02c
- Solid0
I totally sympathize with Nea, but I have to grudgingly side with sparker :|
As a designer I prefer working in Flash. As a user, I definitely prefer db-driven [x]html sites, especially if I'm there for a practical purpose.
- phirschybar0
I LOVE flash too but there are a few reasons to avoid it. One, search engines wont read the copy on the flash sites. And TWO, Nea, the compatibility is not all roses as you suggest. The flash player for Safari is widely different than IE Windows or FF. I have found many issues in compatibility in my experience.
- sparker0
i like flash. it has great uses for games, animation, add-on modules and utilities for sites.
but, it is a poor choice for the entire product.
- Nea0
Olive, since this site is supposed to be visited for people who will buy Flash developed advertising, I asume they all will have the Flashplayer 6 plugin installed.
If they haven't then they're not the right people to reach to the content, since they wouldn't be able to visualize what are they paying for.
The website have to be the best for the people who will be buying the product, and not for all the potencial internet population.
So this is goodbye.
- sparker0
sorry then, you've failed.
the web is a global market place. i'm sure the client will love the idea of potential money leaving because more than 90% of the web has been "left out" due to the lack of appropriate plugins and different browsers.
flash advertising is one thing...entire sites are another.
- ScottTheRobot0
90% ??
- ScottTheRobot0
I'm all for an end to pointless uses of flash, but a lot more than 10% of web users are able to view flash:
- Nea0
sparker, my client wants a flash header and ALL of his portfolio is displayed in FLASH.
Do you think it would be any difference between having a website wich is partially built in flash or have one wich is completely made with it?
I ask you because you seem to have all the answers.