The Pope is dead
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- GeorgiePorgie0
this thread went to hell in a handbasket
- unfitdutchfat0
sorry. sometimes when i think my fingers move and type it.
sorry.
- GeorgiePorgie0
yeah I know what you mean, I lose it especially on chat with my friends when I am drunk late at night
- ********0
oh man this is so close to triple platinum... would be a shame ya know.
ooh, la drama!
- Limmy0
I started this thread.
- ********0
well done matey
- chopsticks0
That would make you The Creator then, Limmy.
- ********0
This Thread is dead
... long, isn't it? Must be nearing 300 or something?!
- haverhill0
Death is approaching the man
- ********0
wait. i'm about to say something to discipler
- mogwai0
damn.... why is this thread so hot?
quick someone sumarize!
- haverhill0
seems there is hatred for the Pope
- ********0
I believe that humans are not animals to be categorized the same as a chicken. We have the ability to reason, think and express emotion and have been created with a certain dignity...
discipler
(Feb 24 05, 11:18)
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See discipler, this is the inherent hiporacy and/or inconsistency in ur argument.So u just said that u value human life more than that of chickens because "We have the ability to reason, think and express emotion and have been created with a certain dignity".
And then you claim that a fertilised embryo (which is only a fraction of a millimeter) is also equal to being human (in this case its mother who is a murderer if she aborts it) despite the fact that it doesn't "have the ability to reason, think and express emotion".
This is inconsistent because 60% of a chicken's gene's are identical to human genes. As according to the United States National Human Genome Research Institute
"About 60 percent of chicken genes correspond to a similar human gene."
http://www.genome.gov/12514316
Either u think a chicken is 60% human (if an embryo is 100% human) or neither embryo nor chicken are human as they lack "the ability to reason, think and express emotion" (even tho a chicken has significantly higher cognitive abilities than an embryo at the moment of conception)
Before u start telling me, yes chickens should be treated with a bit of respet cos they're 60% human. Also note that a fruit fly also shares 60% of its genes with human beings.
http://www.genome.gov/11509542#6…
You might also say that mice are human, using ur logic. Because the human genome is practically identical to that of the mouse. Which is why mice are so important in research into gene therapy (one of the many benefit of Evolutionary biology and the theory of evolution).
"Overall, mice and humans share virtually the same set of genes."
http://www.genome.gov/10001345
Which brings be back to my initial point, that rights and wrongs of abortion have nothing to do with science. They are moral and ethical questions purely, because life itself is a metaphysical concept and not a scientific one. Because science is purely a language and a perspective. It is not there to reveal God, it cannot do this. It doesn't have the equipment.
Some biologists say that something is alive if it responds to stimulus, respires, eats, grows, and reporduces. Well these things can all be simulated mechanically, but few would think a programmed machine that displays these abilities is "alive". Other crazy hippy types believe that earth is one giant organism, and the earth is actually alive - from the clouds to the rocks to the lava to the trees.
I think that "life" is just a word that humans use to understand and interact with their environments and is no more real than when we call organised pieces of wood, table. And all that science has revealed about "life" is that it is a system that helps other similar systems interact with each other.
I think that human life, at least sentience, is a metaphysical, philosophical concept. Something that occurs when they human brain is developed enough, when neurons in the mind matter start connecting, and nerve endings join that some sort of “awakening” happens. And at that point a zygote/embroy/foetus, is human. And that is purely subjective interpretation.
So in my opinion a tiny fertilised egg, smaller than the thickness of human hair, is not a human being.
And do us all a favour. Abandon ur pseudo-religio-science. Theology and Science are two fundamentally opposing languages that cannot be reconciled. Sufficiently intellectual relgions like Hinduism know this, but it’s more difficult with the kind of backwards Christianity u seem to preach. (discipler).
*deep breath
thank you.
*takes a bow
- haverhill0
lol
- k0na_an0k0
That was a nice arguement Chic.
I have a supreme problem with the late term abortions. Or the abortions Mr. Clinton approved which were as long as you keep the babies head still in there it's not "born" yet and it can be destroyed.
I don't approve of abortion as a form of birth control. That should be illegal. But, a woman or girl who is raped and what have you shouldn't be made to give birth to that child. That's what I have a problem with.
- haverhill0
*pulls discipler and Chick into a conference room. Smacks them both. Tells them to get along.
*gives them Jim Jones flavored Kool-Aid for fun
*watches them both die
- chossy0
THIS THREAD MUST DIE IT IS SHITE UTTER SHITE STOP POSTING IN IT.
Or I will roll my tanks into town and kill youse all.
- haverhill0
really?
- ********0
yeah kona, there's a point when the foetus develops a heart and a spinal cord etc. and starts blinking it's eyes, that abortion somehow begins to seem wrong. And recently in the UK the point at which abortion is ok was reduced by a few months.
But it's these extremists who are all about "life starts at conception!" that gets on my tits.
Fine if YOU think that, but when they push that opinion (and it's nothing more than opinioin) on others, i'm like shut it!
- ********0
300!
Yes
now it can die.