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- lifeinsodium0
unfortunately not everyone thinks like you johndiggity. its a shame really.
- johndiggity0
it's not a shame, if everyone thought the same way this place would be really dull.
anyway, i agree in principal that having democracy imposed onto a forign country is kind of a contradiction, but you also have to take into account the situation these people were living under as well.
i think it's a good first step. maybe they will adopt a communist style doctrine before the next elections. who knows, but i think it's important that they at least have a say in the future of their country.
- toe_knee0
this thread would be great if cola and virtu werent in it
- mrdobolina0
see, when people speak intelligently, these threads dont spiral out of control. I was told what I think about 40 times in this thread.
- 2cent0
when this thread hits 420 i'm gonna blaze one up for mr. dob and all his paitenience.
- mrdobolina0
hahaha, I bumped it to facilitiate that 2cent.
- johndiggity0
14 posts to go. roll it up.
- johndiggity0
so i guess we all agree that this was a good/bad thing that happened, and that the future is promising/uncertain for iraqis. sounds good/bad to me.
- 2cent0
breaking the nuggs up now... mm, sticky icky.
- abizzyman0
mrdobs...
... wrong or not - that's what the U.S. and the rest of the world had at the time...
... and Bush admitted that it contained incorrect data - yet the Dem's say that Bush never admits he's been wrong?!!!
Even so - look at the third or forth paragraph of that report - it's speaks of previous Iraqi history about it's ties to terrorism... Iraq was neck-deep in it ... at least Saddam and his regime was - along w/his murderous sons and henchman...
... and those simple facts are what Bush, ... KERRY (the guy on the intelligence committee), Kennedy (the... oooaahh, chappaquiddick murderor)... Barbara Boxer and a load of other Dem's and Repub's all agreed on when the U.S. went to war.
You can bitch about the money spent - the deaths of Americans, coallition forces, Innocent Iraqis etc. etc... alllllll day long - these are valid humane points....
... but drop the conspiracy Michael Moore-ish bullshit, drop the painful negativity that holds the military in a bad light and kills their morale - drop the negative 'whoop-de-doo' attitude about the Iraqi's for the first time in 50 years having a historical day of democracy...
... this continued desire to see failure by Bush's admin. is disgusting... it's like the U.S. is still in an election year.
- robotron3k0
wow and this thread keeps going and going...
i'm very impressed with cola's points but i don't think the issues are so black and white.
but those tiny bit of images you saw on tv weren't baghdad iraq's voting. those few snapshots of the 9 million were of the northern kurds-but don't get me wrong, i am excited for them. the roots have started, and it's about time, this is the only other way to right the wrongs, you have war or you have politics, it's very simple. but that's not what i'm worried about.
what i'm worried about is what are we going to do when 100,000+ war hardened military guys and gals all come back from the army and the marines and now they are 26, retired and mad as hell that they put their life on the line for their country and now they can't find a job working at mcdonalds...
it took timoty mcvey 4 years to crack after iraq I, then he did the oklahoma bombing...
and i'm worried, what if we continue this method of global expansion, with the whole world as our feeding trough. what happens then? are you saying you agree we should just turn all the other nations to gap wearing, burger king eating, american clones...
that's what i'm worried about...
- johndiggity0
about a month ago i hung out with some guys who had just got back from iraq, and one of them had just gotten his orders to go over.
the one guy was part of the unit that took over saddam's palace and he had all these pictures of guys in his unit chilling in this solid gold jacuzzi.
but those guys were having a real tough time, just drinking every night since they got back, no jobs, nightmares...
- janne0
*farts in thread
hey, it's called freedom! ;P
- abizzyman0
that truly sucks, diggity.
let's paypal them some boozin' / stripper cash to get their spirits up.
;)
nothing says "I want a job" like a night at the titty-bar. hehe
- johndiggity0
the one guy seemed all right, he was an army ranger and was just getting ass like every night, so i didn't feel to bad for him.
- mrdobolina0
bizzy, we have goneover all of this before. I love how whenever a debate like this happens certain people have to bring up kerry and the percieved notion that no matter what, democrats are just 'haters'. like there arent any issues involved at all. btw, I never really thought kerry was the right candidate anyway. and you can bring up political lefty leaders all day and it doesnt matter to me because I have views that are all my own. dont pigeonhole me.
- BonSeff0
*gratuitous bump to help 2cent get high more faster
- mrdobolina0
get yer lighter
- johndiggity0
it's all yours...
- robotron3k0
yeah, i heard a crazy story where a young woman had returned as a guard at the abu garab prison, moved out of her small town to a different city in a different state and has begun to cover her body in thick black tattoos...
very sad