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- vespa0
haha nae hooors bin callin yer ignurant has they MX_OnD?
we've got a richt mix on nt nae? ah luvs the internets ah does :)
- MX_OnD0
dinnae wurry paraselene, ah wisnae bein' serious aboot it like, ken?
Burns night wuz nae bad, nae haggis tho cos ah fucken hate the shite, it's aww swept aff the butcher's floor like, ken?
Hud a couple a' beers wi' josimar an' chossy (we are the TOP fucken NT clique likes, me an' the near death twins) but chossy hud tae get up early so it wisnae too wild like....
- Kuz0
aye para,
me professor at uni wrote a whole book on food and diet and culture and geography etc... and anthromopologists now say that the whole "this you can eat, this you can't" is less about cleanliness and more about identitiy and differentiation.
I mean it's abaat cleanliness too cos both Jewish and Muslim texts go on about it, but it doesn't apply to all the "rules" (cloven hooves/shellfish for example).
But like its about cultures marking themselves as different to others - the less civilised barbarians who will eat anything. Well, that's to put it in a kinda blunt way. But Judaism and Islam are very mush religions of "ways of life" where religious considerations are given to every aspect of living. And eating is the most intrinsic part of life is giving the most rigorous considerations as marking that culture out - a badge of identity - we are the peopel who eat like this. ManY cultures across the world are said to practice strict food laws. A tribe in sub-saharan africa, for example, is said to have 1000s, whereby u aint allowed to eat somethign on monday, only allowed to eat something else on a the morning following a full moon, etc. etc.
People who know their shit say that it's about identity. That every moment you are abuot to consume something, you are reminded of your identity. Which is the reason why i try and avoid pork.
I said try goddamimit!
- paraselene0
that's a cool way to look at it. i also try to think of dietary prohibitions as a method of internalising ritual.
for a largely nomadic population, diet is a good way of giving structure and discipline to your spirituality.
not so fun dragging your bloody temple around as you wander the desert for thousands of years, is it?
there was a really wicked story that came out in the seventies, (don't quote me on the date). a documentary filmmaker had gone to some strange town in the no-man's-lands of northern portugal. he was initially intending just to make a film about poverty in postmodern europe.
he discovered a catholic family. catholic like from the 13th century, right? old-school catholics. inquisition, auto-da-fe, convert the damned american heathens, extremadura-like catholics. and every day when they sat down for a meal of pork loin and langostines they said in hebrew:
we're not really catholics! we have to keep our fatal secret and practice our faith behind closed doors only, etc.
but they had absofuckenlutely no idea what they were saying.
there's a part of me that finds that level of ignorance about your own bizarre internalised rituals incredibly admirable.
but then, i'm a sicko.
sorry to go on so much.
- Kuz0
yes see, internalising ritual. swat it's aboot.
wow, that is a craazy ass story.
- vespa0
woah that's freaky paraselene! ritual is fascinating tho eh?
- nicko0
Interesting stuff. My understanding of Halal is that as animal is slaughtered a prayer is said to thank god for the life of the animal and the food it ultimately delivers. The draining of the blood actually makes for really good meat (blood left to congeal in meat = not good).
Finally, I have read that if no halal meat is available then muslims can say a prayer before they eat, thus purifying the food after the event. The upshot is that allah wouldn't want you to go hungry in the absence of halal meat.
Kuz, you're an expert on this... does this ring true or have i been informed incoreectly?
- Kuz0
Indeed I am an expert. And yes nicko, it rings true.
- nicko0
What a very fine person you are.
- paraselene0
in some sense all of these body technologies (diet, for me, is a body technology much the same as yoga) serve that purpose. in the case of these forgotten jews in portugal, the language itself became a body technology over time, the flesh remembering that which faith had forgotten.
what starts out being an identity signifier or a pneumonic device for spirituality ends up being nothing more than the itch of an amputated limb.
- vespa0
that's deep para!
- paraselene0
i'm having an intellectual pin-up girl kind of a day.
- Kuz0
Dear paraselene,
fucking hippy! :P
- paraselene0
did i spell pneumonic wrong?
drat!
- paraselene0
did i spell pneumonic wrong?
drat!
- rise0
i believe in kosher sex.
- JG_LB0
gracias
- paraselene0
you're welcome, jg.
damn, i knew it!
i meant mnemonic.
MNEMONIC!
*shakes head sadly knowing that the buffalo theory has finally been proven wrong. sigh.
- JazX0
Used to eat a ton of Halal meat in Cape Town. Plenty of muslims there. :)
- JG_LB0
what about hot dogs and sushi?