are CSS layouts BS?
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- ********0
Great in theory.
Pain in the arse in practise, with time constraints and clinest moaning about the text being too small, as mentioned.
'Make the text bigger'...OK, here's a button you can swap the stylesheet and make the text as big as you like..
'When the text is big, why does the logo look so small ?'.
'Oh, and I pressed 'home' and it didnt go back to the homepage - can you fix that ?'.
Get stuffed, the check's cleared, and I've disconnected my mobile.
Tit.
- ozhanlion0
I don't agree that idea where companies are gonna release new browsers every 3-4 month, not especially after those things are happening, the browser and the table layout is not intended for web designing primarily we all know that. I think what w3c is trying to do is designate a standart compliant habit of approach with all this technology. I am totally agree that css can be and is a headache most of the time in layout design especially but I see no harm learning it. If you are here reading this you need to learn it sometime before or after we all know that.
- abstrakt0
ozhanlion, there's no doubt CSS is useful, but as to whether or not total CSS/standards-compliant websites should be created as a norm, I'm thinking it's just not time.
- trooperbill0
How many people still have beta video recorders and how many new films are available in that format... its the strategy i take - people seem to be obsessed with backwards compatability - you cant play NES carts in a DC machine - if people are still using old browsers especially netscape (which they have to install by choice as its not bundled with an OS) then thats their choice and they will need to upgrade.
CSS design is bril because it can be ported across media - NN4 complient sites can't
- JamesEngage0
Full css just doesn't work... and I totally agree with abstrakt...
plus people complain tables are a hack for layout... only in the fact that people are using image and text rather than just text... a table IS for layout isn't that is its purpose.
All these peoples sites/blogs that just use CSS really look to be restrcited by what they can do... clutching at straws by using the 1 pixel outline etc that is available to them as they struggle to get a design out of it. It's like using freehand to design with but only have 2 tools.
The only css element I use is for fonts... and then I put font tags in for when the browser miraculously loses the style sheet.
- unfittoprint0
remeber: CONTENT/STYLE SEPARATION.
More than ever before, it's the way a project should be structured, minor changes, even whole substituions of a site's style are much much easier that way.
With only some 'elegant' lines of CSS you're able to to do what js+shitload of nested tables weren't.
there's always a solution for your layout/style problems. And is much , much simpler with CSS/XHTML.
note: XML + XSL style sheets wil be the next level.
- JamesEngage0
I prefer PHP written tables... but guess it is a question of taste
- unfittoprint0
you shoud try making a div, styling it, and throw your php code inside it.
- JamesEngage0
i AM a div! :)
- Elfangio0
Well I do like CSS. IS a very powerfull tool for designing. BUT I dont understand fundamentalism.
I think the smartest thing is to combine all the technologies available in order to acomplish the best result using as less time and resources you can.
I dont see the usefull of creating a complete page layout struture with div's if in the end you will not use their real potencial. Because the code is cleaner? Users and clients will not look at the code, they just dont give a shit. I use div when I have to use div's the rest I do it with the old good html - xhtml/CSS
yeah i try not use anymore font tags and measure parameters in the xtml, but I sure not gona loose my time making all the structure with div's just because is possible to do it!!!
hasta
- MACAS00
If your clients don't see the 'why' on why to use CSS and standards, send them to abcnews.com
:)
- DutchBoy0
"Or am I being thick-headed?"
yes you are, imho.
if you can always work with absolute positioning and use margins instead of paddings..(there are tricks(not hacks!) to get the same effect!)
it is tricky at first but you get used to it... and i make luvlee sites this way with hardly any problems and zero hacks!
- SF20
Straight HTML sites are a thing of the past. But if that's what the client wants (even after you tell them the distinct advantages of CSS/XHTML) then thats what you should give them.
Web design has to keep moving forward. Version 5 browsers aren't going to go away if designers keep making sites to fully accomodate them.
- Mick0
- dcdomain0
Hey Mick, I viewed that site's code, and it looks like there are tables in there =D.
I just wish I knew enough to know when I should use tables and when I can work around them.
- heavyt0
tables are ok if used semantically.
for instance, i am buidling a site with shopping cart. a cart is , semantically, a table.
- tomkat0
css 4 ever.
- gabriel_pc0
also mick:
- SF20
In defence of the domain.com.au designer (we both work for the same company) all the instances that the XHTML validator picks up on are caused by either the content or the advertising code.
- instantok0
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