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- erok0
It's not about the $ my friend...
If you are good $ will come..
:-)
_erok
- coalcracker0
"Or do I try to do some negotiating. fuck I suck at this stuff I need like a manager or some shit."
And you claim that the Russians speak terrible English...
- toastie0
i'm a russian coder nerd and i say, go with the nerds! (my opinion may be biased)
- winter0
take it easy dude. you can't regret not having made a dubious change after 2 months... i am unhappy at work for 6 years now and 'tis only now that my hidden terrorist is starting to come out.
- kStyle0
canuck - i am recently out of school and took the higher paying 'not-so-fun' design job. I think take the job if the $ are important to you. But know once you take the job for money, its gonna start always being about the money. I hate the bland, uncreative shit I have to do at work - but taking a job at a more creative company at this point would mean less $$. . .and it would be real hard to go back to that. . .
- ikbenvanrijn0
word is bond canuck :)
- canuck0
word is born, son.
- tfsmag0
what i meant by the comment "some of us don't need others to motivate them" was that you don't necessarily have to be working full time someplace to motivate you to do good work. You can increase your skill set doing personal or freelance work as well. Plus if all he's doing right now is making flash animations all day long it sounds kinda stagnant anyway.
i know (especially right out of school) that the difference between 25K and 40K is pretty big. It'll allow you to purchase a kick ass machine for home where you can spend time truly developing your skill set on something other than animations (perhaps flash/php/asp interaction, 3D, etc). Also, what I said earlier i still stand by as well. Working with developers (so long as you pay some sort of attention to what they do) will only help with your understanding of the web medium.
but hey, do what you think will make you happiest in the end. Personally, I'd go with the raise.
- airey0
"some people don't require others to motivat them..." wtf!
man, stay where you can get advice and experience taught to you and advance your skillsets. the cash will come later.
there's every possibility that at the moment you're not that good (i'm not very good so i'm not being negative here) and need to learn more.
better to tread slowly now and take off later. you could go off and get the cash, do shite work, learn fuck all and find that the 15k extra is as good as it gets for years because your older (therefore more expensive to hire - normally) and no one wants to bother with you.
just a few thoughts to tack on the rest of em. everone is different so do what will make your lifestyle better now. maybe the cash is more important vs. being a better designer?
best of luck.
- tfsmag0
hahahahaha
don't listen to the guys that have never been in the programmer/developer's shoes.
trust me, if you know a thing or three about EVERY part of the process in web design it will only HELP your portfolio.. not hurt it.
- derek30
now thats a tshirt idea
- derek30
what would trump do?
- Peter0
* didn't note the irony
Ignore my last post please.
- Peter0
I suggested that you could learn anywhere you are, and I get Dutchboys disapproval.
Tfsmag says the same thing (but far more elegantly than me), then Dutchboy approves.
To summarize:
If I weren't so "russian" with my english I might have made myself understood in the first place. So beware of getting to intimate with the russians if you'd start to work at that place.There, how could anyone disapprove of that!
- tfsmag0
plus how do you know how it will be at this other place? I think designers that design for the web will do well working around programmers. The more you know about all the little things that go into web design, the better designer/programmer you will be. I can see that because as i said, i've worn both hats.
- tfsmag0
some of us don't require others to motivate us to do things :p
- DutchBoy0
[ note the irony in my last post ]
- tfsmag0
learning things is about motivation to learn, if you make more money but aren't challenged. work on personal projects to help you progress your skill set.
the only way you'll ever be stagnant is if you lose motivation, and that will be whether you stay or take more money is what i'm trying to say. you'll learn as much or more through trial and erro and personal experience than you will working for chump change at a place you think is providing you with better experience.
basically, it's your own personal motivation that will make you or break you, not who pays your bills.
- DutchBoy0
yes i agree.. take the money and you will be very motivated anyway to do all your own portfoliowork at home after a heavy day of dealing with programmers that barely speak engrish. really.
take the money.
- tfsmag0
take more money and spend time doing personal projects you enjoy...
PS: programmers aren't so bad, take this from a guy that has worn both hats :/