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- fate0
The media, conservative outlets like Fox and the post, will spin and spin and spin this to make up ground for Bush. Cheney will come out looking like Jesus christ Superstar
- john_kerry0
cheney is bullshit the only reason he looks ok, not better then edwards is because the expections have been lowered after bush. Bush is a poor president, and cheney is is only a hair better...policy still wrong, but his delivery is better
- toe-knee0
"I dont talk about myself much"
then he goes on about himself
- abizzyman0
Allow me to take this in two parts:
"cheney is bullshit the only reason he looks ok, not better then edwards is because the expections have been lowered after bush."
The 'expectations' are not lowered due to Bush. That's a rediculous comment and holds now water... that's a terrible argument that is completely based on subjectivity...
but:
"Bush is a poor president, and cheney is is only a hair better...policy still wrong, but his delivery is better "
that's a much better way to argue your point. Discuss the facts such as policy. I almost didn't read the rest because your opening was weak. All you needed to say was 'policy still wrong but his delivery is better' and you would have been successful in your argument.
... just a 'debate' point I felt like sharing... seeing that this is a debate thread.
Lose the emotional 'outbursts' but keep the passion - and you're more likely to be taken seriously.
:)
- john_kerry0
your wrong. everyone regardless of where they stand, knows bush is not a great speaker. Everyone knows, people comment on this. So when they see cheney speaking in full sentences he looks better. This factual.
unless you think bush is a good speaker?
- fate0
Edwards had the most fucking dumbass closing statements. What a fool.
- lilbabyarm0
Cheney is so bad he basically could suck a fart outta edwards' asshole. oh man he gettin killed.
- abizzyman0
Bush is a terrible speaker...
HORRID EVEN!
but that has nothing to do w/this debate tonight.
Cheney's beating Edwards by out-debating him on the subjects... they both are speaking fine... unlike Bush.
Now... if you disagree w/his policy - fine. But this debate is being handled eloquently on both sides (which is my subjective opinion)... The points (not 'facts' as I would need to research them) being presented by Cheney are spanking Edwards.
- john_kerry0
i'm responding to your statement. In this thread people are commenting on cheney speaking ability this a surprise after bush.
your quote
Allow me to take this in two parts:"cheney is bullshit the only reason he looks ok, not better then edwards is because the expections have been lowered after bush."
The 'expectations' are not lowered due to Bush. That's a rediculous comment and holds now water... that's a terrible argument that is completely based on subjectivity...
but:
- abizzyman0
fair enough...
based on the thread... you're correct. :)
john_kerry has won this debate.
BASTARD!
- mg330
I think it's really interesting how in one of Cheney's closing remarks, he said "We've created 1.7 million jobs [in four years]"
Hey pal, might want to mention that there have been job losses of over 3 million during the Bush presidency...
F'ing idiot.
- gogo0
anyone notice that Edwards thanked Cheney & the host & DICK just thanked Gwen?
Also, on the post debate video, Edwards (NY Times) Edwards is shown calling over Dick to introduce him to people, and Dick runs off asap.
- jevad0
hate to say it but edwards was not overall convincing enough for me tonight. what the hell was that closing statement...useless!!
And that moderator was terrible.
- gogo0
I'm surprised no one slipped up and called Cheney "Mr. President"
- gogo0
I'm not a big fan of Edwards, but made myself laugh when thinking what Dan Quayle would have responded if asked what qualifications he had to be VP. [And let's not mention the supposed qualifications of our current Commander-in-Chief]
- toastie0
Cheney's daughter? OH YES HE WENT THERE!
- jevad0
cheney is not a nice man...
- monkeyshine0
oh no! INTERVENTION...jevad's going republican on us! :)
- jevad0
I would sooner start going to church than become a right wing neo-con my dear
; )
- mg330
I'm fond of believing the Onion article from the past, about Cheney, that he is a robot with gears and diodes and such.
And I was surprised that Edwards went to the gay thing, and just mentioning that about Cheney's daughter.
But it's no secret, so why not say something?