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- ********0
Yeah cos there is no "outside" to Capitalism.
But i dont think u shud feel guilty being a designer. Because design is communication. A tool for society to interact within itself. Because society is a Consumer Society - it is the advertisers and the marketing people who use ur skills. That's not ur fault - it's societies fault. Nature of the beast. Unlike "art" design is always gonna be a tool for whoever uses it.
- ********0
I think the terms "West" and "Third world" are redundant - harking back to a time in the cold war. Capitalism has come encompass everything (or eventually will). The Third World and the First World can exist in the same place at the same time.
- ********0
----sky scrapers in Rio and Mumbai existing side-by-side the greatest slums ever known.
- Mimio0
Sure Rasko,
But the world has been transformed into a global financed venture trade game. Where people who used to manufacture refrigerators find it more profitable to become creditors. The desire of corporations to make money coming and going like governments isn't going to die soon. So the citizens of each country predictably rally-round their respective flag, try to "perfect their nation" in order to crush one another. Which inevitably results in war, economic and otherwise for the sole purpose profiting from inequity. The problem is that man thinks every revolution will shake out to leave an ideal society. This has never happened. Man's sense of competition causes him to sellout any other man.
- lowimpakt0
advertising as a process became interesting when 'necessity' was no longer an issue.
- lowimpakt0
----sky scrapers in Rio and Mumbai existing side-by-side the greatest slums ever known.
Kuz
(may 17 04, 10:08)-------------------------------
and approx. 2.8 billion of the worlds 6.3 billion live on less than 2 dollars a day
- mitsu0
i think that if you can defeat the basic human desire to be accepted, then you can defeat capitalism.
- Mimio0
Mitsu,
Or defeat the basic human desire to be the prodigal son of a bitch with more shit than you.
- lowimpakt0
i think that if you can defeat the basic human desire to be accepted, then you can defeat capitalism.
mitsu
(may 17 04, 10:17)
--------------------------------...explain.
- rasko40
Colombus wrote in his journal on October 13, 1492: "At daybreak great multitudes of men came to the shore, all young and of fine shapes, and very handsome. Their hair was not curly but loose and coarse like horse-hair. All have foreheads much broader than any people I had hitherto seen. Their eyes are large and very beautiful. They are not black, but the color of the inhabitants of the Canaries."
"I was very attentive to them, and strove to learn if they had any gold. Seeing some of them with little bits of metal hanging at their noses, I gathered from them by signs that by going southward or steering round the island in that direction, there would be found a king who possessed great cups full of gold." At dawn the next day, Columbus sailed to the other side of the island, probably one of the Bahamas, and saw two or three villages. He ended his description of them with these menacing words: "I could conquer the whole of them with fifty men and govern them as I pleased."
- mitsu0
lowimpakt, take a stroll through your local abercrombie and fitch or urban outfitters one day for a great example. they learn social acceptance at a very young age.
h2 hummers. 60" plasma tv's, segways... what's the point? if people bought only what they needed or made purchasing decisions not based on how it might affect their social status, things would be much different.
- rasko40
"I shop, therefore I am"
- DutchBoy0
there's this guy who lives not far from me who wrote a good little book about this. more related to art though..
but it's about how advertising picks up elements (via a long way) from art/design and how art tends to react or even use advertising to reflect upon it. it's a vicious circle really.
have to look up the title though...been a while.
- Mimio0
Yeah, a lot of the things we're talking about have been well exercised in the writings of authors/thinkers like Paul Verilio, Jean Baudrillard etc... current social theory can't ignore advertising.