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- poeticnowhere
what do you guys think of the way advertising is effecting our culture; does advertising reflect the culture or does the culture reflect it
- nLHb0
hmmm...
*goes off to corner to ponder question
- rasko40
they are elements of the same thing, dependent upon each other, self obsessed in the continuity of profit growth for the wesern world.
- mitsu0
i think this isn't an either/or. both affect each other.
- poeticnowhere0
thats true, but i think one still comes out on top, one effects the other more, one has more control, advertising has becaome a living creature, tactile no, but still alive, its like a parasite to our culture, and it feeds off of our consumption
- Mimio0
Advertising labors under the delusion of cause and effect. We (advertisers) see ourselves as the prime causers. Society by and large rejects advertisings message directly, seeing it as being manipulative and childish. The jokes on them, because society adopts and embraces it's rhetoric as their own and inevitably becomes unwilling, unconscious proponents of it's perverse language. It's a cultural quagmire.
- kodap0
culturising adverture.
no doubt that they're embed in each other.
- poeticnowhere0
but then where do designers fit in, are we stuck in this blind merry-go-round of ignorant blissful consumption that could be arguably called life and just think that we own the power of persuading the other sheep, or do we just think we are god
- poeticnowhere0
well described Mimio
- ********0
Advertising is just the tip of the iceberg. Culture is manufactured at all levels and appropriated into the Capitalist function. Advertising is the self-aware product of the culture-machine.
- Mimio0
All we can do is appeal to people's different colors of desire and it's ever-growing capacity.
- rasko40
the merry go round is real, sure we have the power to persuade sheep but that doesn't mean you're not a sheep yourself.
You have to question not simply advertising (a tooth in the cog of the machine) but your entirety to liberate your thought, this is to a certain extent almost impossible for most, and certainly an unwanted and cumbursome worry the masses would rather stay repressed as they remain blissful in their branded ignorance and their pathetic pursuit of false power.
- ********0
Isn't that just marketing to demographics Mimio?
- Bluejam0
"We shape the things thereafter they shape us."
An old advertising campaign slogan for Caterpillar, circa 1990's.
- poeticnowhere0
and that is where i get stuck in "life" i hate routine and thats what everything seems to be, like you are saying everything is connected one way or another and reflects something else and something else and something else, and i dont want to be a sheep bu ti know i am and there is nothing i can really do about it if i want to live in this society
- ********0
Yes there is...
Don't believe the hype.
- Mimio0
Maybe if everyone concerned themselves with elevating culture and themselves outside of the world of commerce things might be different. The problem is, once people get something going, commerce wants a piece.
- rasko40
this is the common problem of modern man, the internal struggle, the helplessness and the scream within. The psychological damage western society is undergoing is imeasurable because what is 'normal' has been completely redifined in order that stability be maintained within the system and the workforce/product output/profit gain remain on the up. Modern man is taught how to think and deny his truly independent nature and therefore his very humanity. We are not a normal people at all.
- poeticnowhere0
i think Pink FLoyd said it best
"Money so they say,
Is the root of all evil today"
- mitsu0
apparently, culture can be purchased and worn.
- rasko40
and I mention the damage western society is going under.
The true unfortunate ones are those in the Third World who undergo planned starvations and genocides at the hands of the west (or organised by stealth) in order to further the wests growth patterns. Sickening.