37 signals-web design in wrong...
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- woodyBatts
Any opinions? Agree or Disagree?
- Neuarmy0
Agree.
- Epictive0
Link: http://www.37signals.com/svn/arc…
It was refreshing. The medium is not the message, the message is the message.
- woodyBatts0
It just seems so obvious to me... I think after workin in the web i experience more programmers working as designers, then vice versa.
Almost as if design becomes a 'skin' rather than an implementation to reinforce the code, and the code to reinforce the design.
- propa0
Nice Article. Bob and Susan are the most important part of the equation. All the rest is ego.
- dessalles0
no offense
but he seems to be having a lot of trouble using the internet. yeah there's a lot of crap, but i personally don't seem to have nearly as much trouble getting what i want from the internet as he does.
i think the problem is him
but what do i know?
- davetufts0
Agree.
they are easily the best designers on the web.
- MR_T0
He makes a graet argument there, as I reckone everyone here knows so many people who bang on about validation.
- Epictive0
I don't think he has trouble, he can just relate to the non web savy users out there.
- JamesEngage0
I agree that there is a place for web standards... but some of the people that harp on about them... spend years getting anything concrete realised... and the stuff they usually have compliant is their web blog!
- rick_bass0
Why can't you do both? Good looking, usable sites that are semantically strong and validate as strict XHTML/CSS are completely possible. I don't understand what the fuss is about. Why should validity preclude usability?
- MR_T0
Classic James.
I always wondered where the 'design' in webdesign comes from. Cause alot of the time I see sweet fuck all creativity and concepting.
- JamesEngage0
Show some examples and I'll be impressed...
and it's not web design it web building half the time... coz everyone uses the same bloody structure...
I am hoping never to make another 'about us' link... or a 'home' link...
I know some people say you should do that so that all sites are the same and people can use the same interface... but is that 'standard' correct in the first place..
- MR_T0
I think the seperation of content and displau, whilst a nice concept is inherantly floored.
Cause ALL content needs/has some sort of inherant display characteristic about it. So what results is this generic 'copy' which has no context and no place..and thereby reduces it's meaning.
- MR_T0
I when i write floored..I really meant 'flawed'
;-)
- woodyBatts0
I agree with Mr. Engage, i feel that when most be talk about "about us" and "home" buttons they are really just regurgitating old trivial menusystems.
I have studied circle menus and UI design, notice you will never find a "home" button on photoshop...
I just feel that basic interaction is excused for complacentcy, and cheap style.
The coding should help the design, the design she compliment the coding. In the end who cares how it is made as long as it works.
- JamesEngage0
I agree... I'm more than happy to build a 'universal' browser that I can feed any clients data into and for them too pay for it... but i don't think they'd be too pleased
- JamesEngage0
coding is just a means to realsing the solution to the problem you've solved... isnt' it?
- mrdobolina0
don't know where I am going with this, but 99.9% of users don't know what standards compliancy is nor do they care.
- rick_bass0
Ok, well http://www.adem.tv is my first attempt at such a thing.
I think it's fairly attractive, reasonably structured and validates. It also tries to use flash in a reasonably accessible way - loading the menu as quickly as possible, then getting the detail in. It even works without a stylesheet.
Even if it's impossible, it's worth trying.
- woodyBatts0
Frankly, when it comes to compliancy and standards i feel it's really just another buzz for people to throw around...like the words
initialize...
or even in the conceptual world, "paradigm shift"...
people don't know what it means, but it sounds intelligent or cool. The fact of the matter is that HTML is compliant with everything. I don't even know where this standards or compliancy thing comes into play, it's just something else to keep us chained in the cave....