sotware piracy
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- toastie0
yeah
i did a bad bad thing...
- vena0
congratulations, you just figured out why photoshop is expensive.
- JazX0
so vena you never made it to Pittsburgh then?
- toastie0
yeah, but we all know Adobe makes good shit. I use linux on my machine 80% of the time, but im the first to admit that the Gimp is barely useable compared to Photoshop.
- vena0
toastie: no actually it's a lot easier to say "too bad" when there are free alternatives.
- toastie0
that's cool, sparker, i'm working on a game right now. Might even release it commercially if everything works out.
- vena0
well its a thread that could have used some hijacking.
besides, you're moving it in a good direction :)
a while back i got involved in an open source game project but it lacked a strong leader and fell apart. please do better, ok? good.
- JazX0
I've purchased brand new fully functioning programs on the streets of Moscow for $1 US.
- toastie0
In Russia, where i'm originally from, they have legal stores that sell pirated disks, but they also have licensed software sold in the same stores. So you see Photoshop for like 25 cents and then you see Photoshop for $600, which mind you, is what an average russian citizen makes every 3-4 months.
I don't think it would enter any sane person's mind to spend 3 months of income on an applicatiom when they can get it virtually for free.
It's alot easier for you to say "If you can't afford it, too bad" if you are a graphic designer in a well-to-do country, for most people i know here, it's a fraction of what they make a month.
- sparker0
eh. swamped with work. client work and office work. i'll trade you for a while. :) i'm sick of 14 hour days.
yea. i gave up trying to ever finish something public. although, i have something in the works that may actually see light for once. it's mainly email and secure back-end stuff on my domains.
the plan is to put together an open-source design/development lab to build a pc/console game from the ground up...open to anyone and everyone.
i have a couple of story lines to use and i've been reading up on my opengl and gtk programming. initially, i want to offer it on linux, but ports to windows and os x would be nice.
:)
it seems we've hijacked this thread.
- vena0
danke. i think you win for cleanliness though. :)
life is fun, though work is a bit slow... hence my semi-returned status here :) how about you?
- unknown0
paying for warez? i've never heard that one before.
- vena0
"beside that, how is it that people here can justify stealing software but whine like children about who ripped who?"
that was beautiful :) shawn, you're my new nt favourite person.
- sparker0
you think that a "few" users pirating software doesn't matter....it isn't a 'few', it is thousands...multiply that by the price of a single software package and the company loses hundreds of thousands of dollars each year.
anyone who believes that pirating software doesn't hurt developers and companies is niave to the point of being stupid, and lacks even the most basic professional maturity.
even just taking the number of respondants in this thread who think stealing is ok, and adobe has losts thousands of dollars.
hell, if just 20 nt users pirate adobe cs, that is over 10K the company lost. and, that is less than half of a percent of pirated software use in the world.
it's stealing. it hurts companies and fellow developers/designers.
if a company loses all it's money due to things like piracy (and it has happened before...game companies, software companies, development firms...etc) then not only does the company go under, but all those developers and designers are out of work.
beside that, how is it that people here can justify stealing software but whine like children about who ripped who?
- dessalles0
on another note...
the question is not so much wether software piracy is stealing, as much as it is a question of wether stealing pirated software is immoral.
and i don't think you'll be answering that question in this thread.
- dessalles0
i guarantee you that its in the best interests of some companies to look the other way when they see pirated versions of their software on the internet.
photoshop is the institution it is today because of piracy.
millions of people would never learn how to use photoshop without piracy, and as a result, thousands of more copies are sold when they get good at it.
- qaddisin0
yeah i do. ikbenvanrijn. but some software i own like my macromedia products. and i don't get to buy the latest and greatest photoshop and 3d apps. too bad :(
- ikbenvanrijn0
do you say arrrrgh me matey qaddisin?