Petition to Stop RIAA
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- mitsu0
"i think a lot of automobiles are grossly overpriced. should i steal them off the lot?"
see, there's the problem, that is not a good analogy at all... yet people use analogy's like this all the time when debating this matter....
were are talking about a digital medium... a unique sequence of bits, not a car.
what makes this issue even more interesting too, is that an mp3 is inferior by definition alone. it filters out sounds that are not audible by the human ear. what that means is that this digital 'repoduction' is not really a duplicate of the original as the bits are totally different. proof: notice how significantly smaller an mp3 file is to a .wav or .cda file.
what you can say is that each set of bits produces a sound which is strikingly similar to the human ear...
find the thread 'Open Source' and look at my visual illustration. it shows a similar example that deals with images, but it's the same principle.
- kerus0
i have a enoguh cd's to have put a family through community college if i had saved my cash.
i'd say about 90% of those cd's i would not have purchased if i had not downloaded part of them first ot make sure they didnt royally suck..
- fits0
petitions are useless!
- monkeyshine0
Hey Mitsu,
I disagree. A copyrighted song began with someone who created that song and then they or someone else recorded their song. I don't see how its transferred to a digital medium, inferior or not, has anything to do with it.
How is this different from a designer who creates a website or print piece. Just because someone rips it and does a bad job of ripping it, doesn't mean the original designer's copyright isn't valid, no?
- mitsu0
just presenting the facts.
i am not supporting or refuting any arguments, that because of the differences in bit sequences of two audio files, the music is not copyrightable. i just think it's interesting.
- unknown0
You own a cd and not what's on it when you buy it.
It's just funny.
- mitsu0
"You own a cd and not what's on it when you buy it."
so what do you own when you purchase music here:
http://www.apple.com/music/store…
:)
- unknown0
the right to listen to it wherever whenever and however you want hahahaha
just imagine you pay for the right to listen to music
- mitsu0
what if someone else's ears hear this audible sound emitted from my speakers? are they committing a crime?
- whiteSneaks0
the car analogy is extreme and a bit off i agree. a closer comparison would be me scanning in my library of books and distributing the pdf's. illegal and unethical? very much so. you don't buy the music, software, or movies when you shell out that money for a shiney disc. you are buying the right to listen, watch or use it. Thats why the mp3's on my computer that are ripped from my CD collection are legal. I can make a hundred copies for myself if I felt compelled to do so. You begin distributing to friends or the anonymous masses and you are breaking the law.
I don't like the corporate giants trying to destroy digital music. They won't succeed no matter how hard they try.
Technology has opened up an ooportunity for clever entrepreneurs to give the giants some competition and I hope they do so. I know I have some ideas myself.
- Meeklo0
If you think downloading mp3 is a crime.. fine. I want every DJ on clubs paying royalties. I want all the internet radios to get shut down, or on a pay per listen kind of thing. How about that?
I think this all thing is stupid, I discover a lot of the music that I bought thanks to audiogalaxy.
And those commercial about the handy man from the set at beverly hill cop 3 not being able to send his kids to college its a Lie. He is not the one loosing money, is the huge recordlabels that exploit artists. And they dont like you getting music for free.
They are trying to pull the exact same lie about if you smoke pot you are paying a salarie to terrorism.The band makes their money from shows. Not from cd's sales.
Mp3 are also the best way to discover undergroun artist, that without the mp3 and the internet woulnt be known.
And yeah, I hate metallica now
peace
- whiteSneaks0
i don't think it's a crime. i know it is crime. copyright infringement in the digital age. i usually don't let legalities dictate my actions so to further that point it is not ethical to download music and immoral. it is stealing. period. nothing else to it. no more honorable than putting a CD in your pants a walking out of store.
spinning purchased records for people to enjoy is not thievery. if anything it is favor for the artist.
i know many artist who make money off CD sales. Even the ones on major labels make a small royalty from every single sale. some artist don't tour. how are they making a living?
these "evil" record labels employ thousands of people and thousands of vendors and contractors. you hurt the entire industry by stealing the product.
i primarily listen to underground hip hop. i enjoy paying for that music because i have met and respect the artists and hope my support helps them continue there artistic pursuits. i have downloaded music to see if i like a new artist before spending my cash. then i get rid of the mp3's that were more than likely shitty copies anyway. illegal still, yes. i do believe this is ethical use of the technology though. i would hate to see it all jeopardized due to people using the tachnology irresponsibly. unfortunately this barrel is filled with millions of bad apples.
i am an artist and my livelihood depends on copyright laws. i think many of us need to keep that in mind.
- cosmo0
sign up ppl.
- jox0
if that means i think it's okay to crack software as well, then im not in.
- Meeklo0
You downloaded music for "learning purposes" check the artist and then buy his album.
that is as honorable as putting the cd on your pants, enjoy it a few times and then throw it away.there you go..
Its like me going in to a 7/11 grab some 2 or 3 different sandwiches and then if I get cought I say "I just wanted to taste them before I buy them"
That exactly what I said about audio galaxy, I still buy the cd, (if I like it) the only mp3's I erase are the ones that I dont like.
But I also find music that you dont find on the stores. later on I read on the paper, that the swiiss guy that I discovered on audiogalaxy is coming to town, Im paying a ticket to check him out. thanks to what?
yeah... "illegal download"
dont get me wrong, I am against people downloading music and making mix cds and then making money out of it. But if that downloading music for free allows me to make a decision about buying a record.Im an artis myself, graphic and music, I also know lots of people that write music and mp3 had helped them to spread their talent out.
Yes that fact gets stronger when we are talking about underground, after all, what is undergound all about? musicians that had no contracts with huge record labels, making millions of dollars.
I cant believe your "underground hip hop artist friends" are against getting their name on the street.
Ususally is huge artist such as metallica, or madonna that are already known the ones that dont need the mp3 to get their music across.
peace
- monkeyshine0
This is a tough one for me. I can't stand the RIAA and I think the record industry is no friend to musicians BUT at the same time I have many friends who are musicians/songwriters and they're the one's in the middle of this mess.
It's not cool to steal someone else's property...how do we protect the musicians while sticking it to the RIAA?
- mitsu0
good points.
- cosmo0
we basically can't do anything at all.
- jox0
one thing disturbs me though.
I hear this everyday here on NT; people are complaining about the X site uses the Y's menu yadda yadda, while they're downloading cracked copies of Photoshop and 50 mp3's on Kazaa as they speak.It just doesn't make sense.
- Bluejam0
How is the RIAA geeting information on these people that they are sueing? How did they find this 12 yr old girl..google?
IMO, the methods and practices on how these organisations are collecting names/addresses..etc is far more frigthening and serious rather than the 'economic' solutions that everybody's trying to solve.