Art and Design
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- plamenski
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>>> part illustration, and part animation and design. <<<Am I the only one not being able to see the design part in his illustration of the bird? It's a very nice piece of art but what other purpose does it have apart from self expression to give it a design part?
It's about time, we try not to refer to art and to design interchangeably, as if they were synonyms.
Art and design differ significantly.
- plamenski0
This is the site in question:
http://www.once-upon-a-forest.co…If you wonder what I am talking about.
- ave0
So you wouldn't say that design is an integral part of any visual exploration?
- plamenski0
A visual exploaration could only impove the art work you use as PART of your designs.
Design is to have a goal or purpose; intend.
- ave0
Since when were intention and design interchangable.
If I design a floral pattern for wall paper, is it not design because I drew it?
- Anetalaya0
"Design is to have a goal or purpose; intend."
yeahp, thats the key... and what people forgget most of the time.
I'm sure evry diseginer would like to call his/ger work "art" becuase we put heart and soul on (in?... hhehe, my english in the morning) it most of the times. But we most understand that design is not art, design should help/advertise etc, needs to be functional.
Art doesn't need to have a function, the only thing it eed is to cause a reaction, good or bad, in the public
Art
- Anetalaya0
I see the site you are talking about more like an experiment, an exploration, beatuful by the way, nt absolutly sure if it falls into the design category.
But I don't care, I just like what I see.
- ave0
...but you wouldn't say that somebody designed it?
My question is:
Would you call the Sistine ceiling a work of art? After all it was comissioned by the church, and was very specifically intended to be what it is. But I though that only design is like that?
- mitsu0
"Would you call the Sistine ceiling a work of art?"
yes
- ave0
me to.
but it is also an illustration and an advertisment.
- unknown0
come on... I want to see more estate agents sites ! :)
- Anetalaya0
Maybe we are tlaking about different things, but it seems to me that you are confusing the word "design" with the profession "design" I'm talking about the last one.
The Sistine ceiling is a work of art above else, becuase it produces a physical reaction, you don't say just "is nice" or "I like it" or "is cool", it produces a deep reaction that makes you speechless, or at least that's what people who has been there says... (haven't been there, yet).
I don't think is an advertising, it was instructive, because most of the people didn't knew how to read back then and it was also to scare the hell out of everyone, to not commit sin.... =).
It's was decorative too. And after all we are taking it out of context, becuase back then the concept of design as we know it today didn't exist back then.
Maybe is a bad example.A design will never produce that, becuase aboce else, his purpose is to sell, the reaction will be direct.
I don't know how to explain it in english, specially because I'm half asleep =)
- Anetalaya0
hhmm, that was some random talking =P
- ave0
Design, as we know it has always existed. The only thing that has changed is the clientel and the medium of communication. Where once we advertised for the church or the aristocracy, we now advertise for the corporations, in all cases art is propaganda. Even in the gallery world, art is produced to maintain a standard identity. Fine art is a product that sells to the gallery going crowd, and promotes the ideals of that audience.
Personally I found Arnaud's Nike "enjoy the weather" to be a breath taking site. Absolutely beautiful. Why is it not art? I agree that it is design, but is it not art? In 200 years when Nike does not exist, and the world has long forgotten "consumerism", how will the design of today be viewed, art of the past.
In our time the client is Corporate, the goal to sell products and identities. In the past it promoted the identity of royalty aristoicracy and the church.
With Joshua Davis, he is selling his identity to promote himself to peers and clients. The product is clear, himself.
- plamenski0
Joshua calls himself an artist and art is what he seems to be more inclined to pursue.
But if we want to call ourselves designers, then our creations should not only be just aesthetic but also functional, while reflecting the taste of the time.
- ave0
How is it that Joshua's non corporate work is not functional? That is how he sold himself to the industry and continues to do so. The only difference between Joshua Davis and someone like you, is that he markets himself as well as others, he sells his own products as well as others, and sells it all very well.
The fact that that you needed to question whether or not he is a designer, shows that he hooked you. He doesn't know who you are, but you know very well who he is. That's some pretty functional marketing. Quite impressive design, I'd say.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not insulting you, I like your personal site and I'm sure you are very good at what you do. I just like arguments like this. :)
- unknown0
The trouble is that there is really no need for most peoples personal sites... Do you really think people want to see a blurry photo of your cat sat on your keyboard (or equivalent)
Shoot me when I bring out a 'personal' site
- plamenski0
ave, I wasn't questioning his designs that he has done. It's that particular piece on OUAF that got me going. I don't see any traces of design there whatsoever.
Most people tend to follow his art work thinking it is design. That's where the problem lies. You see?
Think what it is actually: it is a beautiful poem about a bird visiting his back yard. art or design? you tell me.
- ave0
See, I believe the two are interchangeable. So either one works as a description for me.
But of course I'll respect your opinion.
I gotta get some work done now! :)
- Anetalaya0
I still think you are a little confused about the concepts of art and design and the diference between both...
but anyway, everyone has the right to have an opinion
- ave0
no confusion here.
As you say, to each their own. :)