Kids today...
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- monkeyshine
I'm interviewing some college seniors for a design internship and, maybe I just have a lame batch, but everyone I've seen has a poor understanding of typography. Also..have a few people who want the internship to learn more about web design but they've never built a website or touched html.
Where's the incentive? Do I just have a lame batch of duds or does this really reflect the level of design education today (outside of the top design schools)?
- chubba0
Ive always believed education never fully prepares a student for working life. They also dont teach the true importance of typography or print. Having an internship is just giving them a small taster of whats to come. So don't try not to judge their work at the level which their at now. Hopefully they will progress once they are in the industry.
- Bluejam0
It's an uneasy blend of increased 'college' degrees/courses that lack fundemental basics in design, the upward significance in the need to know 'applications' over theory and the ever growing shelf space dedicated to 'The idiots guide to web design...'
Bottom line, this creative industry has been plundered of respect and craftsmanship in the pursuit of the quick buck.
And shit! didn't you know!...every one is and can be a designer these days.
- chubba0
(sorry my english is very poor)
- corin0
what are you complaining about? you've got someone to get you coffee and do the scanning.
- monkeyshine0
Well, yeah, there's theory and school life vs. the real world but I don't think what I'm talking about is the same thing. This is about a healthy balance of theory and application. I asked one girl who her design/art influences were and she couldn't think of anyone?! Life, she said.
- exador0
well...it depends..
i interviewed some folks about a year and a half ago here...and was pretty unimpressed with what i saw...
totally uninspired, and crappy interviews...
on the other hand, i've met a few folks since then that are fresh out of school, and have been blown away by the drive and skills they have..
hell, look at one of Carty's partners...(can't think of his name)...really young guy, christ, he must be what, 19 or something..and he totally rocks..and is partners in the whole Lounge agency thing...
couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
so there ya go...there are definitely some guys n gals out there in the younger set that have wicked skills..
its just a tad harder to find them at times..
but they're out there...and yeah...
most schools don't teach typography very well, and most graduates have a pretty limited understanding of how the real design world works..but hey...thats pretty much they way its always been...
i'd love to be able to say i was a genius, and was rocking the design world from day one, but thatd be a lie..
i busted my ass doing free stuff, until i got my first gig..and was fortunate enough to have a couple of senior designers and art-directors take my under their wing and teach me all the stuff i didn't know...at some point..we ALL need to do that for the next wave of designers...
give a hand up..not a hand out...
- monkeyshine0
you are totally right, exador. But the difference is that you took initiative and worked your ass off...I think its more rare to find those genius' who just have this organic talent. Most of us have to work our asses off.
I guess my bitch is more with instructors who don't really do their job. I see these "A" projects with weak typography and wonder if the instructor was snoozing or what?! And I know cause I have had instructors like that too. They oughta be smacked around! :)
- exador0
true monkeyshine..
good point..
;)
- chug0
I'm doing an internship at a web design company, and I'm in my last year of high school (gone through a cyberarts program, combining visual arts with computers etc etc) and I've learned so many incredible new things, not just the tech but the process and thinking and theory behind design and in this case the web. Now I can go to uni and apply all this unique knowledge. Give the kids a chance and you'll open their eyes for them (if they truly have a passion).
btw the 19 yr old is Greg Durrell
Cheers
- Blofeldt0
We all have to start somewhere. 'Strong typography' is a matter of opinion. If they're not what you're looking for, don't hire them.
- junkfood0
just want to say, i`m only 15, and i design the whole time. i `ve been in designers offices like büro destruct to inspire myselfe. i have already done stuff for a street magazine.
- monkeyshine0
ok...I don't think strong typography is a matter of opinion. There is knowledge and then there is opinion. Opinion comes into play when someone, say, David Carson, takes typographical rules and turns them on their head...but there's still a knowledge behind his methods.
- monkeyshine0
junkfood and chug...you guys rock! You already have passion and inspiration...and I suspect you'll be great designers. Keep it up.
- monkeyshine0
btw...junkfood, your work is far better than any portfolio I've seen in the past month. Good work.
...ok, I'm stepping off my bitch session now. :)
- junkfood0
thanks a lot monkeyshine. this, of course, makes me very happy!