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- unknown0
that is pretty different.
- Bio0
ah man, tell me that is a joke and those fuckers didnt actually do that.
please tell me.
else i might be tempted to track them down and beat the living shit out of them.
- TransFatty0
i always thoughts that 'disasters of war' piece by the chapmans was pretty weak .....
- unknown0
To be honest im not too sure of what to make of that. Should I be pissed off that the integrety of a body of work has been destroyed? On the other hand its fuckin ballsy. Which kinda impresses me.
Im a massive fan of agitation in design and art in general, like adbusters for example. But I guess most people agitate for a reason, this could just be defacing for infamy?
hmm I dunno, just dunno
- Bio0
i worked in the Woods Museum of Art for 4 years in college. we had goya works in rotation.
ballsy? yea. but wrong. these guys are looking to get famous. and the only way they knew how was to deface a series of etchings by someoen who earned fame the hard way. it is disgraceful and if i ever have the displeasure of meeting those guys, you bet your ass i will beat them severely.
that shit goes beyond art. there are certain morals and ethics that should be universal. they destroyed art and made something lesser. it would be fine if they did this to copies, but to do it to the original works ... they should be put in jail and ass raped by a large gang of murderers. bitches.
- unknown0
Bio, its Jake and Dinos Chapman, they already are famous - Charles Saatchi owns half they're stuff and they're exhibited in the Tate modern.
They're sensationalists.
- thosethat0
however 'wrong' it may be to'deface' these images...
i can't help being amused by their sheer bloody nerve...
- Bio0
yea, well they can sure as hell suck my ...
i dont care who they are or who owns their shit or how much their work sells for.
i am disgusted. thoroughly.
- kodap0
sorry, bio, i don't have the same opinion as you. this is good...
past is past - judging by what you're saying, Mona-lisa or something similar wouldn't be recognized and well known these days if crazy people like them weren't joking around with the past masterpieces, we all do that.it's called recycling.
- Bio0
then we agree to disagree.
recycling artwork is fine, but not the original piece. you can clean it and restore it as much as you want without damaging it, but when you take the original piece and destroy parts of it...
well, then you are on my "bad list". not much anyone could say to change my mind.
- unknown0
steady on squire. deep breaths.
They are prints from the original etchings, rare, but not one offs.
I like the Chapmans work usually. I dont like this and not because of any vandalising art moral issues. Its just not any good. Its what I describe as 'pub art', the sort of idea you come up with in the pub with your mates, only these guys have the means to actually do it, as far as I'm concerned the whole BritArt scene is pretty much pub art. The 'art' isn't particularly worthy but the fact that the ideas get produced is pretty worthy and I think they sum up our era - its all about marketing. These 'artists' just dont happen to be selling a brand age product, they are a product of the brand age.
- Bio0
i understand fully that these are not "one of a kind".
i am a printmaker myself. i know quite a lot about etching and consider myself to be decent at it. these ARE original.
the way the print method works, there are only a few that are made from each metal plate. it is part of an edition and each one is mostly the same, but each one is an individual with its own characteristics. each one differs in some way from the next in the edition, but each is original.
this is what angers me.
- unknown0
newstoday, serious art discussion.... whats going on?
pack it in
- thosethat0
maybe they should use them as beer mats...
- kodap0
* kodap leaves discussion
- unknown0
ok I see what you mean, lets burn them at the stake.
This is exactly the reaction that they rely on, imagine they could easily have created copies to work on but where is the 'shock' in that? People just go 'oh, right.. mmm' because the work is shit.
Their work is pure controversy, thats what they sell. This just happens to be a poor example of it.
- Bio0
ok ok ok. no more seriosity out of me.
i am going to go eat an orange and contemplate the meaning of "bong".
- unknown0
in case you are interested, in that link I posted earlier you can buy a limited edition book which comes with one of their defaced etchings for the bargain basement price of £5000.
as if.
- Bio0
if i werent so busy contemplating the word "bong", then i might have have a serious something to say about that...
but i wont... because i am busy... thinking of how weird the word "bong" sounds.
bong. .. . . bong. booooong.
how odd.