cognitive dis
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- o0o
kpl brought up 'cognitive dissonance' the other day and I've been thinking about it. Here's a short http://www.ithaca.edu/faculty/st… basically its believing two things wich logically contradict each other.
everyone does it.
I think that's what bugs me about 99% of religious people. They believe certain things, and will defend them to the death, yet live their lives in contradiction to those things.
On the other hand life isn't really logical. Logic is just a human construct. You probably HAVE TO believe contradictory things just to survive....
- mitsu0
"I think that's what bugs me about 99% of religious people. They believe certain things, and will defend them to the death, yet live their lives in contradiction to those things."
99%??? hmmm
also, why does it bug you? do you not have your own life to live and worry about?
- Mal0
agreed.
- frow0
It can be argued that "logic" is subjective.
- frow0
What's logical to me, may not be to you. Where is the absolute standard?
- Mal0
There is no absolute standard for logic. I think rational thought is more relevant. Rational thought is an indication of sanity which is surprisingly rare.
- o0o0
uh, yeah, I lead my own life, it's not like I dwell on it. I'm not trying to offend religious people. But I have friends, family and aquaintances who are religious, but are not really spiritual people. They use religion like a social badge, not like a true spiritual quest.
... I take back the 99% part, not trying to make unfair generalizations, I obviously wouldn't know...
- dsmith70
thats highly illogical
- Mal0
I know what you mean oOo the spiritual thing has some conviction and passion to it but the social badge aspect turns me cold.
- o0o0
yeah, and I agree with you Mal about rational thought.
I guess that was my feeling about it, it's like once you accept a contradiction in your thinking... and you aren't willing to think seriously about it, it establishes a precedent. From that point forward you can accept contradictory or illogical things and you wont think to seriously about it.
- CL0
how does rational thought get by in an increasingly irrational world....or rather, is rationality something still attainable when you consider that, in the short time from the Roman Empire to now, we've been stuck on the same illogical road to _____.
soon, we will have to make a choice.
- Mal0
Well I think we know where it's all heading and it's not good.
- Mal0
and what good wisdom if it brings no profit to he who is wise.
I'll get my coat.
- kpl0
cog dis isn't actually believing in two opposite things. it's what happens when you encounter two opposite cognitions or ideas. it's a discomfort, and natural instinct says you should eliminate one by rationalizing it away.
talking about religious types... bad word. better to call them dogmatic types. religion contains dogma, but so do different ideologies. ie. you know those stupid people who go to war protests and start screaming about their petty lefty pet cause, ie socialism or some stupid thing? those are dogmatic types. And there's the non-dogmatic religious types you don't hear about, and can never tell who they are, cos they know when to shut up.
tolerance to cog dis is called having an open mind.
- Mal0
nice kpl.
- Mal0
I did all the stuff it says in the Bible, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff.
Ned Flanders.
- ********0
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- ok_static0
hmm... i totally agree with you.
http://www.newstoday.com/docs/sh…
- kpl0
cool. I feel like a third grader now.
actually, what do I do for a living now? draw lines. I'm regressing.
oooh. stars...
- sauerbraten0
i remember that from philosophy class.
here's another thing;
a perfect being is a being with the greatest array of great-making properties.
hah, that's such a great one
- o0o0
hmm, not sure I understand the distinction you're making about it. You mean, it's not HAVING contradictory ideas, but the uneasy feeling that results?
Dogma is "A doctrinal notion asserted without regard to evidence or truth; an arbitrary dictum." is that cog dis?
I mean religion as an example of how people can believe in a certain way of living, and also believe it's ok to have personal habits that contradict it.
right, but I don't mean to pick on religion, you're right, this kind of thing can exist anywhere.