Safari = more problems ?
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- Louno
hmkay , before we had Netscape to deal with , which was a super pain in the ass .
Now there is Safari ... this sucks , i mean , a third browser , and everyone seem to adopt it ... now i have to test IE , Netscape on a PC , then check IE on mac , Netscape on MAC , and Safari too ?
geez , at least if u make a new browser , why not make it 100% compatible with IE or something ...
already i see ppl saying " could u check my site " and i see replies like " i cant see anything , im using safari "
...
integrating a web site is soo boring and its getting even more boring ... crap ! :(
- sevenfingers0
why not make it so that it follows standards instead of propietary MS technology? Have yet to test it though, it seems promising.
- Louno0
whatever , i dont care .
what i care about tho is having to restrict my design or having to integrate the site like 3 time instead of one because alll browsers dont show the same things ... its really annoying ...between and Netscape i like IE a ton more , its faster , and it gets css , iframes ( which are 10000x better than having to make framesets etc) ... Netscape not only has a ugly GUI but it sucks ...
i hate having to make cross browser sites , i dont mind crossplatforms tho ...
i think the only "good" reason of not using IE and using Netscape is becauase u are running linux .
- violent0
why not try mozilla its much more compliant than IE and it has tab browsing for a better work streamline.
but everyone has their own favs, mine just happens to be mozilla
- john0
If you code for standards, you'll only need to do it once (with some tricks admittedly) and will get far greater cross-browser/platform compatibility which will include browsers of the future.
And if we're gonna start airing grievances I've got a couple.
How about full screening my browser windows for me... I frickin hate that! Especially when a window is fullscreened, then pops open another window which gets fullscreened, then pops open yet another window.
- unknown0
yeah how ABOUT folling standards.... IE is the standard. are we slipping back into bug test hell again? fuck that!
- auricom0
don't get your panties in a bunch. keep in mind that safari is just a Beta. it may completely change and work perfectly when they release the final version.
- john0
IE is popular, it's not a standard.
The biggest drawback to NOT adopting standards (in my opinion) is the potential to lose/confuse users with alternate browsing systems such as aural screen readers, braille readers, Wireless handhelds and so on.
You DON'T HAVE TO test on other browsers and you DON'T HAVE TO even care what the minority using those alternates gets from your site, but it may make you a better designer if you DO.
- ********0
"why not make it so that it follows standards instead of propietary MS technology?"
AMEN. That's what standards are for damnit.
"whatever , i dont care ."
Well, then don't whine.
- ********0
"IE is the standard."
IE is not a standard. It is a browser.
Here you'll find standards,
and yes, I follow them, and you'd be amazed how well it will turn out when you follow those standards properly with clean coded xhtml, css and js. And without all the MS bullshit in between.So, go here:
http://www.w3.org/
- christo0
Safari follows more standards than most of the current crop of browsers out there... and it WILL improve even more. Look at its progress simply from a BETA release-
although Safari is not your problem, people are using IE,Netscape,Mozilla, Opera, AOL(uh netscape tweaked), Omniweb, Chimera...
not counting different versions of each one-
hell some trick that might work in IE 5 or 6 wont even work in IE 4...
this is the way is goes man- SAFARI is only about 2% of your problem. Follow standards and you'll have less to worry about- if you like to get fancy and wierd and call it creative be prepared that not everyone will be able to see it- or even if they do, understand it. This topic is nothing new. And actually so far Safari is pretty damn close to following standards to a tee- while it has its flaws- they aren't trying to make up their OWN standards like Microsoft does... if anything IE attempt to declare the web as their own is your real problem.
- ok_static0
it's just a beta release......
and what's the STANDARDS by the way?
- apt130
damn, "web designers" or as most should be called, "web programmers," sure are whiny babies.
- ********0
true, it is still in beta...and already it blows away IE (which was considered to be most flexible with CSS) on many issues I discovered.
I have a lot of faith in Safari.
- john0
Just use flash. It's only 99.9 percent bad.
- ok_static0
go on you beta tester, i'm still using OS9.1
:)
- kpl0
hey y'all, quit being microsoft's bitches.
and another note, quit being lazy ass bitches.
raise up, fool.
- sp0
3 browsers? What about Opera, Konqueror, Mozilla, Galeon, Lynx?
I use Linux almost exclusively now - and with the advent of Redhat, Mandrake and other more user friendly desktop distrobutions, not too mention Wal-Mart selling Lindows boxes for under 300 bucks...and they sold thousands so far...Linux is growing in popularity.
It is better to adobt a coding style designed around proper markup and standards/accessibility compliance instead of relying on coding for specific browsers.
Opera, Mozilla, Konqueror, Safari (which is built off Konqueror), the new Netscapes, and even in the new IE's, Galeon, etc all support W3 recomended standards more now than ever.
- kpl0
support all these browsers, you bitches!
- unknown0
hey thanks for that link kpl I was looking for that!
yes unfortunately microshit won out... what are you guys going to do? pretend like you can fight the beast? what good are standards when no one is following them. especially if the world's most popular browser (by far) is not following along?
fuck that. I refuse to acknowledge any other browser becasue of one simple reason. it ain't worth my time. haa ahahaha ahaahahahaha ahahaha ahahaha!
ha!
- Creon0
The point is, if you are a good programmer, you should be able to do this with no problem. The protocol for safari isnt much different from IE. Stop complaining and just work! There will always be "another browser" in the world, so deal with it! that's what makes life great.