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- sexypixel
http://www.theregister.co.uk/con…
98% of statistics are bollox, but clients love em
- unknown0
true
- CyBrainX0
Sounds like we won't have to design and develop for Netscape anymore. Fine, they gave up years ago.
- toastie0
CyBrainX, it's people like you who fuck it up for alot of people who refuse to use Microsoft products out there.
I really don't see why you need to use IE-specific tags or features or worse yet, NOT ALLOW people to view a site if they dont have IE.
IE-specific features do not offer anythign so crucuial to webdesign.:(
- toastie0
sorry, didnt mean to be mean, its just that it pisses me off that webdesign is becoming iedesign.
- sexypixel0
toastie, every other industry has standards, the building trade, oil trades, plumbing, even dodgey car salesmen have standars, just a pity that micrsnots standards are better than netscapes, thats the way it is.
- toastie0
sexy, unfortunately, it's not about quality standards, but often redundant code that is specific to the IE browser.
I would understand if the IE specific features offered something better to the webdesigner, but unfortunately they do not. Until recently anyway.
Now that Mozilla and many other browsers fully support DHTML, CSS and most other features, limiting website avialability to IE is ridiculous.
- Ctrl_Z0
M$
The internet...tomorrow the world!
More grapes Mr. Gates?
- toastie0
but it has nothign to do even with Microsoft. M$ doesnt design your pages, you do.
- 8dot30
toastie, its a bit too late. netscape put out shit browsers and blew it. i downloaded netscape 7 the other day, and it put shortcuts everywhere, installed aol im along with some other random shit i never asked for. that and once i logged in to aol im it took up 45 megs of my ram. 45!
thats why netscape fails, and they keep looking to blame microsoft so they can survive. if they put out a browser that was easier to use than ie i would use it. i dont like applications that dont use the os's interface and take up 45 megs of memory.
- sexypixel0
all good points toastie, but there has to be standards.
Do you really think that netscapes standards are better that ie's? I really disagree, ok so neither is perfect, but we should decide on a basic platform that all can build from. would make my job a lot easier, and my clients alot happier. Only yesterday i was explaining to a group of architects that a check box cant contain an x, only a tick, but in netscape earlier versions its an x, they were very amused at this, and were more amused at the fact that i couldnt garantee the site would look the same in all browsers. my point: we need standards
- PeterNorf0
Standards are good. Microsoft is good. Whats the problem.
Oh wait.. Microsoft is bad. doh
Go Mozilla, Open source software yay!
Noooooo.
Sorry Im having problems with my inner voice tonight.
- BonSeff0
at least the newer browsers are getting easier to bring together. its just ns4 thats so f'd up. and those old schoolers theat love it because of the email client. that version of ns was huge back in the day because of the integration and people and companies latched on and wont upgrade. i just did a freelance pres the other day and the client took me back to his machine and pulled up ns4 as his browser. my heart just dropped, the whole time he was talking i was thinking about coding issues...
- toastie0
im not talking about netscape, people. Netscape sucks some serious balls. Mozilla IS NOT netscape. It is an open source project aimed at creating a cross-platform browser engine called gecko, which is used to build small, fast browsers like pheonix and chimera for OS X.
And even the native Mozilla browser is not so bad.
As far as creating a globally compatible standard, isnt the web itself supposed to be a unified standard?
- CyBrainX0
I didn't make my comment based on specific IE features. I really don't even know about that stuff because I'm a straight designer, not a developer. It's just that I know who much harder it is to develop for Netscape and how unforgiving it is.
I also hate that you can't easily bring up the status bar on those popup windows with huge downloads. And still no history?? How ridiculous!! I can't count how many times history has saved my ass in IE.
In general I hate Microsoft and everything they make, except for IE. And especially on the Mac. I can't figure out why they don't apply themselves that well to their office products.
- unknown0
Toastie. Here's the key to winning your battle... Adopt the standard. The standard is IE. If so much as a PIXEL of difference exhists when I view a web page through the other browsers. FUCK em! They have to do EVERYTHING EXACTLY like IE. otherwise guys like me will constantly try to squach any effort for other browsers to take hold.
These other browsers can creep in by ehancing interface or the email client as long as they follow Microsoft's standard and do not come out with any new BS code.
- vena0
there are standards, they're decided by the w3c. netscape/moz complies with them, ie slacks behind, though only by a little bit.
as for browsers' continued expansion with propriety tags - where do you think most of html 4.0 came from?
- Nirvous0
Same argument....same old answers. Netscape is still not compliant with standards. Neither is IE fully. The little old lady down the street doesnt know what the hell Mozilla is. Go with the demographics.
- Ctrl_Z0
I'd rather design for 1 then 5.
i.e has always been a better choice anyway. even if opera has that uber-fresh C64 Mod.
- vena0
nirvous - netscape 7.01 is based on mozilla 1.0.2, both of which are the most fully standards compliant browsers available.
popular misconception says that the market creates standards. this is wrong. standards are those features and abilities decided upon by the industry crafting the tools. all major browser companies have given their support and blessing to the w3c to develop these standards, and IE will continue to get closer to them. develop for *real* standards, not the abilities of a single browser, no matter what browser.
this is like a more boring version of a mac vs pc thread.
- Nirvous0
Good points...and I did not know about the new Netscape's compliance. I will, however, counter your argument by stating that netscape.com has popups. :) Nice to see your ugly mug around again.