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- gimpster
djenders > Why should Eric spend his time learning how to code and creating innovative widgets etc so other people can benefit for free?!
Why not see it as a challenge, use erics site as an inspiration and try to learn how to code the hard way rather than ripping other people source, you'll benefit in the long run.
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- sp0
one chould ask; why should he release it at all?
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- gimpster0
sp > True!
But it is coming up to Christmas, maybe he needs some extra money for booze?
:)
- sp0
hm. could be. :)
- Nairn0
With an interface like that on his front page, I'll be surprised if he sells any..! No disrespect to 'the' man, of course - but I still can't figure out how to view.. whatever he's trying to show me!
- nospacebar0
Ok.
Natzke's source code: $80
OR
Sothink SWF Decompiler: $40.j
- sp0
my complaint isn't with him, or anyone else who offers their code. i just hate the way the design/web/media/flash 'community' butchered and raped the idea of open-source.
:)
i have huge amounts of respect for developers who offer up their code, like natzke is doing. he's great at what he does, and to give his work to people is very comendable.
but, the fact is, in this industry kids will abuse it more than further it.
that's what i don't like. it rubs me the wrong way to hear people say flashkit, praystation, etc are 'open-source'.
:)
but, i digress... onto happier topics and back to work.
hehe.
- unknown0
i can see two sides to all of this.
i agree that "its your work, YOU should profit off of what YOU do."
i also agree with open source. i dont believe 'communities' "butcher" and "rape" open source or don't take it to that next level. from fonts to software, PS brushes to .fla files. if we were to buy everything on the internet to create spectacular and dynamic websites, the internet would be pretty boring. not everyone has the money to fork out an extra 80 bucks or the knowledge just to figure out/create an actionscript. but hey, if he's making money off this...all the power to him. if its just for pocket change, then why not make it open source?
- snowtrooper0
i remember a little joshua davis with a similar deal. maybe its the fact hes selling it for $80, and its JUST the source code. the praystation HD was a cool piece that mustve been fun for JD to construct, and a cool thing to actually own. i knew someone who bought one as a present (hell, i even bought one myself). would this natzke deal have the same allure.? probably not in its current state. its too much like the price of a piece of software (albeit cheaper)
package it well, and sell it a little cheaper, and voila!
- sp0
i have nothing against selling source, giving source or whatever.
it's the people who take it and just use it that i say are butchering the concept behind the gpl and open-source.
if you take code and change it, make it better (or worse) and re-compile...good...if you just take the code, use it and call it your own...then that is what i have a problem with.
and, unfortunately, that is what everyone does when flash source is offered up.
there will be no advancedment, no innovation, kids will just use it as is and create even more redundant, stale design.
that is not open-source.
- djenders0
Gimpster I actually think it was a pretty cool idea that he released the source. But maybe explaining everything included in the .zip file would interest me a bit more.
I've always been the type of person that looks at something then tries to figure it out. I'm tired of seeing someone pulling a tutorial off FlashKit and calling it their own.
But I also love open source. Natzke used to post a lot of his stuff that way. In fact I know I have at least a few of those source files laying around my hard drive somewhere.
I agree with a previous post. Package it Davis style and it would probably work. I bought the Praystation CD just to check out some of his code, ideas, and it felt like I got to pick his brain a bit. To this date I've never used anything directly from that CD, but it sure has inspired me!
I'm debating if I will actually purchase the archive Natzke has. I saw him at AnonFed, and just his thought process amazed me. I would be interested to see how that is reflected in his other work.
- travis0
why do you people always have to be so skeptical?
- Bluejam0
Because all it takes is one person to use that source (incorretly)and do something like this....?
- unknown0
im pretty sure its impossible to tell if people abusing source code outweighs people that have actually advanced open source code.
i mean, so what if some shmuck makes a crappy geocities page using open source code and calls it his own. frauds are obvious and don't get any respect as is. is that to say that open source should be done away with? i use ultrashock and flash kit all the time. now i dont post up on my websites that I LEARNED THIS NIFTY TRICK FROM ERIC NATZKE. but i also don't say, I CREATED THIS ACTIONSCRIPT BY MYSELF. if someone wanted to know where i got the code from, id be more than willing to point the person in the right direction and give credit where credit is due.
i've got a question...if i do a find and replace in dreamweaver and take out the 'MM_' in dreamweaver scripts and replace it with nothing...is that the same as "butchering and raping" an open source code?
- sp0
that analogy has nothing to do with open-source.
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- gravityroom0
Interesting comparisons to the praystation HD. I think its corny and I have to say a little arrogant to sell source code to some goofy shit you built in Flash, but that's just me. Eric says toys are fun.
I agree - the PS thing was more of a collector's item and the web was a different place when Praystation was the shit. I dont' care for Natzke's work enough. Its okay, but I think I'll do my own Flash experiemtns.
- paul23580
there are way to many inbred overated designers idolised by know-nothing nats in this community... who really cares?
^5s Natzke for realising that he can profit from it.
- nothingcrat0
Not to spoil the discussion, but what's the big question/issue here.
Some guy writes some actionscript and puts it on a CD. He sells it for $x on a CD.
Want it? Willing to part with $x to get it? Go ahead. Use it for whatever the hell you want.Want to learn from it? Great. Want to use some of the code.. go ahead, you bought it. After all, if some kid finds a script out there that makes the slideshow effect (or whatever) that he wants, why do I have to change it or write it from scratch to use it?
This would seem to be a more complicated issue when applied to truly opensource languages. You can view>souce on millions of web pages to get HTML/javascript/etc. without paying anyone.
- ********0
thats right. if you pay for source, you could use it to learn from or you can use it. You bought it.
why do you assume people are just going to rip it and call it their own? how do you think open source made any advancements? by people sharing, posting,e tc. Sure, some are gonna try to steal it and pass it off as theirs, but others are going to improve on it.
Thats the tradeoff of OPEN source.